Anonymous

[Blood Knight]

"- Taking down the Westboro website. Why?" Are you serious...? did you hear what they did? They went to random burials of the men who served our country and said that they died because of the homosexuals in the country and god was angry at those not straight. I'm sorry if Anonymous crippling them was such a bad thing, Syl.

And to the point you tried to make that we shut down Freedom Of Speech. I'll give you that, we do stop the freedom of speech of various pedophiles, corrupt governments, teenagers bullying other teenagers making them commit suicuide (Amanda Todd), and various others. Is it really such a wrong thing that we make censorship of the absolutely horrible crap that happens on the web? Governments around the world censor what can be said / done, some more heavily then others. There will always be a form of censorship. We just don't want things that would bring people to not have equal Freedoms. And since I know either you or mmm might say it, "You just said you censor what happens. THAT'S DENYING FREEDOM OF SPEECH". Yet again, Anonymous stops the corrupt. I'd rather take down absolute scum-bags and be called a denier of speech then let them continue to do what they do. And either way, it's the internet. They'll always be back.

[Sylvia]

I thank you Syl for forming your opinion in a respective manner.

Also, I can understand why you say that, but at times there are needs for force. Such as the inhumane treatment of the Palistani people, and of the Syrian people. If Anonymous does not show that there will be consequences for their action, than who/'s going to? The UN, and NATO, have showed they wont intervene. Obama himself helps the rebels but labels them as terrorists.

Areas such as this I feel much more lenient on. Although I stick with my view that humanitarian aid and general public awareness would be the most positive general change, if Anonymous feel the need to step into this grey and murky area of politics, then it is their decision. Stop Kony, although slightly unsuccessful in the end, is something which I would rather support - practically overnight, Kony was recognised as a political figure. If Anonymous did something like that, they would have my full support on those issues.

It is only the 'local' issues that I feel they stick their noses too far in. In a stable, considerate - in comparison to Syria and such - government, it can be managed with the methods I stated before.

Now I posted the above before I saw bloods post, so here is the newly added parts:

I feel slightly like I'm going in circles here. The whole point I'm trying to make is it is not your right to do that. If Anonymous used their forces to promote LGBT equality within society, a better effect would be achieved in a positive way.

And yes, I believe it is wrong you are censoring things yourself. I gather this opinion because it is illegal, and a negative action. It is so much better to teach the children today of how not to repeat this - eventually, when society altogether has a general acceptance of issues, these 'absolute scum-bags' will not even exist. Destroy the problem, not censor it.

[Blood Knight]

"Destroy the problem, not censor it." ~Syl
When we DoS a site enough, it does destroy thee "Problem". And Syl, Anonymous does want equality for the LGBT people...they've said it numerous times. They've attacked the syrian government site after they had a petition to ban homosexuality in general. That made them mad. Therefore, they crapped the site for some time then the government withdrew the petition...And we don't live in a perfect society, therefore, there will never truly be equality as biased blood flows through generations of ignorance.

[ghost 9]

I thank you Syl for forming your opinion in a respective manner.

Also, I can understand why you say that, but at times there are needs for force. Such as the inhumane treatment of the Palistani people, and of the Syrian people. If Anonymous does not show that there will be consequences for their action, than who/'s going to? The UN, and NATO, have showed they wont intervene. Obama himself helps the rebels but labels them as terrorists.

Areas such as this I feel much more lenient on. Although I stick with my view that humanitarian aid and general public awareness would be the most positive general change, if Anonymous feel the need to step into this grey and murky area of politics, then it is their decision. Stop Kony, although slightly unsuccessful in the end, is something which I would rather support - practically overnight, Kony was recognised as a political figure. If Anonymous did something like that, they would have my full support on those issues.

It is only the 'local' issues that I feel they stick their noses too far in. In a stable, considerate - in comparison to Syria and such - government, it can be managed with the methods I stated before.

Now I posted the above before I saw bloods post, so here is the newly added parts:

I feel slightly like I'm going in circles here. The whole point I'm trying to make is it is not your right to do that. If Anonymous used their forces to promote LGBT equality within society, a better effect would be achieved in a positive way.

And yes, I believe it is wrong you are censoring things yourself. I gather this opinion because it is illegal, and a negative action. It is so much better to teach the children today of how not to repeat this - eventually, when society altogether has a general acceptance of issues, these 'absolute scum-bags' will not even exist. Destroy the problem, not censor it.

I had made a reasonably sized post, but I exited out thinking it posted, when it really brought me to the screen where it said Blood posted. Here's a short and lazy version:

WBC didn't learn not to harass people through chastising and people hating them. They learned through a bruteforce approach from Anonymous.

Is hacking and downing websites really so bad that it's not worth it to save a single human life? How about the thousands they could save from Israeli and Syrian attacks?

[Sylvia]

That still censors the problem. You're hiding it, not facing up to the facts and taking positive action.

I realise Anonymous does protest for LGBT rights - but still by negative action such as shutting down sites. And as with the Anti-Homosexuality Bill (of Uganda, to correct you) Anonymous went on the website, making themselves a nuisance. They haven't changed the peoples perception of gays and lesbians in Uganda. They haven't offered support and guidance to gays and lesbians living in Uganda at the current time.

The only way to make a real difference is to take action, not take away someone else's.

And as for ghost's new post, yes, it is worth it. Like my previous post, places like Syria who do not have a stable government I feel more lenient on.

But as for WBC, teaching of equality in schools in the area, helping people to understand, I think is the better option.

Of course, this is all my opinion, as is yours.

[paladin]

To quote the African Proverb - "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
Anonymous "speaks" quite softly when compared to other activist groups (Al Qaeda, Taliban, the Crusaders, Nazis, Bolsheviks, Westboro Baptist Church, etc.) and we carry a very large stick. MANY very large sticks. I did some analysis: basic websites like http://www.freeworldgroup.com don't stay up past 100,000 packets sent. A higher powered website like FwgForum doesn't stand past 753,000. I estimate that Visa and PayPal, etc. can stand up to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1.5-2.5 million packets sent. Mastercard can stand up to 5-6 million packets. The US Government site can only take about 300.5-350.5 million packets of data sent. Therefore- Anonymous has a VERY LARGE stick and a very long reach. Simple Math shows that only 2 slightly good hackers with OK computer systems can take down FWGForum & FWG. Kinda scary, right? A group of say, 75-100 EXPERIENCED hackers with INSANELY GOOD systems can easily take down the USA Government site. Be aware peoples, be aware.
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Note- Except for FWGForum & FWG.com, I have no clue the actual #s the sites can widthstand. Do NOT hate on me for sucking at guessing.

[J3rdegree]

To quote the African Proverb - "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
Anonymous "speaks" quite softly when compared to other activist groups (Al Qaeda, Taliban, the Crusaders, Nazis, Bolsheviks, Westboro Baptist Church, etc.) and we carry a very large stick. MANY very large sticks. I did some analysis: basic websites like http://www.freeworldgroup.com don't stay up past 100,000 packets sent. A higher powered website like FwgForum doesn't stand past 753,000. I estimate that Visa and PayPal, etc. can stand up to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1.5-2.5 million packets sent. Mastercard can stand up to 5-6 million packets. The US Government site can only take about 300.5-350.5 million packets of data sent. Therefore- Anonymous has a VERY LARGE stick and a very long reach. Simple Math shows that only 2 slightly good hackers with OK computer systems can take down FWGForum & FWG. Kinda scary, right? A group of say, 75-100 EXPERIENCED hackers with INSANELY GOOD systems can easily take down the USA Government site. Be aware peoples, be aware.
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Note- Except for FWGForum & FWG.com, I have no clue the actual #s the sites can widthstand. Do NOT hate on me for sucking at guessing.

im pretty sure that is speaking loudly if you directly state you are going to war with the govt, your post is sending a big bark right there, and it isn't that bg of a bark anyways because LOIC can be optained by anyone... dont have to be a hacker to use it..
anon speaks with a big bark and a moderate stick, but people (the govt) ignores their bark publicly and takes care of it privately. I'm pretty sure that anon is the pposite of your quote and is going against those who avidly accept that quote.

[ghost 9]

To quote the African Proverb - "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
Anonymous "speaks" quite softly when compared to other activist groups (Al Qaeda, Taliban, the Crusaders, Nazis, Bolsheviks, Westboro Baptist Church, etc.) and we carry a very large stick. MANY very large sticks. I did some analysis: basic websites like http://www.freeworldgroup.com don't stay up past 100,000 packets sent. A higher powered website like FwgForum doesn't stand past 753,000. I estimate that Visa and PayPal, etc. can stand up to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1.5-2.5 million packets sent. Mastercard can stand up to 5-6 million packets. The US Government site can only take about 300.5-350.5 million packets of data sent. Therefore- Anonymous has a VERY LARGE stick and a very long reach. Simple Math shows that only 2 slightly good hackers with OK computer systems can take down FWGForum & FWG. Kinda scary, right? A group of say, 75-100 EXPERIENCED hackers with INSANELY GOOD systems can easily take down the USA Government site. Be aware peoples, be aware.
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Note- Except for FWGForum & FWG.com, I have no clue the actual #s the sites can widthstand. Do NOT hate on me for sucking at guessing.

im pretty sure that is speaking loudly if you directly state you are going to war with the govt, your post is sending a big bark right there, and it isn't that bg of a bark anyways because LOIC can be optained by anyone... dont have to be a hacker to use it..
anon speaks with a big bark and a moderate stick, but people (the govt) ignores their bark publicly and takes care of it privately. I'm pretty sure that anon is the pposite of your quote and is going against those who avidly accept that quote.

So hacking the USSC.gov website, taking it over, and after it gets retaken, taking it back over and making into a game of asteroids is a medium stick? And then getting so many users onto the website, that they then have to create a second? And then the government had to down the website? It's remade now, but it was a war in which Anonymous conducted as if it were a breeze. And that isn't/wont be the only website to go down.

The government tries to keep it private because:
A.) How much of an embarrassment it is, and
B.) To keep countries like Iran and China from getting any ideas.

You know they hacked an FBI call to the Scotland Yard?

[paladin]

To quote the African Proverb - "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
Anonymous "speaks" quite softly when compared to other activist groups (Al Qaeda, Taliban, the Crusaders, Nazis, Bolsheviks, Westboro Baptist Church, etc.) and we carry a very large stick. MANY very large sticks. I did some analysis: basic websites like http://www.freeworldgroup.com don't stay up past 100,000 packets sent. A higher powered website like FwgForum doesn't stand past 753,000. I estimate that Visa and PayPal, etc. can stand up to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1.5-2.5 million packets sent. Mastercard can stand up to 5-6 million packets. The US Government site can only take about 300.5-350.5 million packets of data sent. Therefore- Anonymous has a VERY LARGE stick and a very long reach. Simple Math shows that only 2 slightly good hackers with OK computer systems can take down FWGForum & FWG. Kinda scary, right? A group of say, 75-100 EXPERIENCED hackers with INSANELY GOOD systems can easily take down the USA Government site. Be aware peoples, be aware.
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Note- Except for FWGForum & FWG.com, I have no clue the actual #s the sites can widthstand. Do NOT hate on me for sucking at guessing.

im pretty sure that is speaking loudly if you directly state you are going to war with the govt, your post is sending a big bark right there, and it isn't that bg of a bark anyways because LOIC can be optained by anyone... dont have to be a hacker to use it..
anon speaks with a big bark and a moderate stick, but people (the govt) ignores their bark publicly and takes care of it privately. I'm pretty sure that anon is the pposite of your quote and is going against those who avidly accept that quote.

LOIC? We don't use that for Ops nowadays. We use a little something called SQLI Injection. Much faster, more efficient. And then we use Brutus for the Fatality.

[Blood Knight]

To quote the African Proverb - "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
Anonymous "speaks" quite softly when compared to other activist groups (Al Qaeda, Taliban, the Crusaders, Nazis, Bolsheviks, Westboro Baptist Church, etc.) and we carry a very large stick. MANY very large sticks. I did some analysis: basic websites like http://www.freeworldgroup.com don't stay up past 100,000 packets sent. A higher powered website like FwgForum doesn't stand past 753,000. I estimate that Visa and PayPal, etc. can stand up to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1.5-2.5 million packets sent. Mastercard can stand up to 5-6 million packets. The US Government site can only take about 300.5-350.5 million packets of data sent. Therefore- Anonymous has a VERY LARGE stick and a very long reach. Simple Math shows that only 2 slightly good hackers with OK computer systems can take down FWGForum & FWG. Kinda scary, right? A group of say, 75-100 EXPERIENCED hackers with INSANELY GOOD systems can easily take down the USA Government site. Be aware peoples, be aware.
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Note- Except for FWGForum & FWG.com, I have no clue the actual #s the sites can widthstand. Do NOT hate on me for sucking at guessing.

im pretty sure that is speaking loudly if you directly state you are going to war with the govt, your post is sending a big bark right there, and it isn't that bg of a bark anyways because LOIC can be optained by anyone... dont have to be a hacker to use it..
anon speaks with a big bark and a moderate stick, but people (the govt) ignores their bark publicly and takes care of it privately. I'm pretty sure that anon is the pposite of your quote and is going against those who avidly accept that quote.

If you count how many sites Anonymous has taken down, even for an hour to the ones that are completely destroyed...I'd say they have a pretty hefty stick.

And as said before, J3rd. Only the stupid kids use LOIC. It's like a one way shot to jail. xP

Loris's are where it's at.