Anonymous

[Sylvia]

I never said one thing against the reasoning or the ways anon takes action have I?
Where have i accepted or denied taking any action this topic?
All I have been bringing up is how some members of anon are not truly taking anonymous approaches to their actions within the group, and how the govt has more power over a group of people on computers because they both have the law on their side and take actions in secret to take down what they see as a threat.

[paladin]

I never said one thing against the reasoning or the ways anon takes action have I?
Where have i accepted or denied taking any action this topic?
All I have been bringing up is how some members of anon are not truly taking anonymous approaches to their actions within the group, and how the govt has more power over a group of people on computers because they both have the law on their side and take actions in secret to take down what they see as a threat.

As for the attempted blackmail, I will call out one of the great rights put forth in our constitution. I plea the 5th.

This is the internet. As stated above, nobody has control over it. Therefore, you have no rights.
GG No Re

[J3rdegree]

This is the internet. As stated above, nobody has control over it. Therefore, you have no rights.
GG No Re

Well, as i sit here in the USA i can take my rights.
Welcome out of the black and white area once thought to exist and into the massive grey area of the world.

[Blood Knight]

Wrong, J3r. True, the internet is not subject to any 1 countries laws, but the domains under a certain country can make it illegal. Just like if you attacked a united states site. You would face their laws and regulations about it. And I'm sure you would plead the 5th on that, J3r.
~All Quotes from shadowstar1922 Below and arguments with it~
"And, I 100% completely agree with everything Ducky said. Anonymous is kind of like, a bunch of pissy 9 year-olds who don't get their way, but they have big-ass rocket launchers and tanks to get what they want." I'd say that's pretty close. Although, we are older then 9. #Derp

"Yes, Anonymous' ideology and goals are right, but how they're handling it is completely wrong. Like Duck-Duck said, there are more, appropriate terms of protesting for the rights you want." Oh? we already knew that. We just like this way. More people see it.

"The matters that Anonymous fights for with 'brute' force are like, a little child shooting people for wanting to stay up an hour later, or in a more appropriate matter, the Child gets a group of child-friends who has similar bed times and want to stay up later, all hack websites owned by families until the families or specific parents agree to let all the children stay up for a later bed time." Oh I'm sorry Shadow, I can't take this seriously. You're telling me that us helping out citizens in crap countries to let them get a bit more freedom out of there is like a pissy kid with a bed time? Yeah, nice similarity right there.

"I'm not completely objectifying to Anonymous, just their actions. They can do some better things with their power, not just using brute force and acting like it's a war." We're not ACTING like it's war. It IS war. I'm guessing you don't even know why we're at war with the U.S or who Aaron is? Not to be "That Guy", but why are you speaking on a topic that you are not even relatively knowing of?

"If you think about it, it is pretty childish. "I have a gay friend, and he/she is madly in love with his/her partner, but they can't get married! I say, we should have a war over this! This is outrageous! Lets kill other people, innocent or not, over this matter! Because, you know, they might die from this!"" Anonymous has never killed a single person, Shadow...

[J3rdegree]

Wrong, J3r. True, the internet is not subject to any 1 countries laws, but the domains under a certain country can make it illegal. Just like if you attacked a united states site. You would face their laws and regulations about it. And I'm sure you would plead the 5th on that, J3r.

Well as the 5th states
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
I was simply taking shelter from my own gvt from any action upon me by the means of this topic or any subjects associating with it.
If i wanted to i could just ignore that part of your post, but addressing it seems much more respectable and pleasing the 5th seems like a safe thing to do when talking about such a topic where radical actions are taken against members of the group.

[Shadowstar1922]

Blood, if you call, basically restricting someone's Freedom of Speech by taking down their sites, as helping citizens, is a good thing, you need some help.


Tell me, what exactly has Anonymous accomplished by hacking sites? Has any of their wants ever pulled through?

I still hear the Westboro Baptist Church being pretty active. I still hear homosexuality is illegal in Uganda. I still hear the Syrian Civil War is still going on.

Tell me, if what you guys do is so effective, shouldn't it work really fast?

Anonymous has been a "group" for a while now, and I don't see any of their goals yet to be achieved.


Not everyone in the world has to abide by the same Humitarian Rights the rest of the World(more like a majority) follows. As long as the country isn't killing anyone, and the People aren't suffering extreme horrible conditions, I see no problem with it.

People can abide by their own customs, their own religion, their own laws, their own morales just like you can. And because one country doesn't agree, doesn't mean you can force your opinion on them by forcing them to change. It's rediculous.

Is the Ugandan Government killing any of it's homosexuals? No, all the Ugandan homosexuals who have died, have died from the PEOPLE OF UGANDA who don't like it. The homosexuals of Uganda brought it on themselves when telling everyone, in an anti-homosexual society that they are gay. They could have loved their gay lover in private.

Think of it like this: If you lived during Nazi Germany, and everyone's all like, "I hate Jews!" and these small group of people are like, "I love Jews!" or, "Jews have done nothing wrong to the German people! They've had no power whatsoever in the course of History, what could they have possibly done?" and those people say it PUBLICALLY, have little PUBLIC PROTESTS and announce on news stations and radios that they love Jews, What the hell do you think is going to happen? They're going to get killed. By who? Most likely the German people. They'd get to them first before the Nazi German Government can get their hands on them.

Now, you might think, that, "Oh those people were stupid. They could've just kept to themselves and helped the Jews privately if they are brave enough."

Now, replace the Jews and Jew-supporters with Homosexuals of Uganda, and the German Government and it's anti jews with the Ugandan Government with it's anti homosexuals.


If the homosexuals of Uganda just kept down low, and loved their lovers, hid it as much as possible, and just WAIT for change, it will come. Nothing in History lasts forever.


And yes, Blood. You guys are acting like little children. Doesn't matter how old you are, you guys are acting childish. Your Age doesn't determine your personality or morals or decisions. By the age of 10-12, you can think on your own and have some level of mature thinking.

Like I said before in this post, Anonymous isn't helping anyone. They haven't achieved anything. If I say I support the LGBT Rights, but I don't donate money, I don't go to parades, I don't preach on how homosexuality is very natural and doesn't define anything physical, or mental-wise on the human body, am I really supporting them? Am I really doing anything productive?

No.

And Anonymous isn't doing anything either. They're just causing more political tension, more stupid-ass conflicts THAT WON'T HELP ANYTHING!

You're fighting for Gay Rights in America(Yes, Anonymous is fighting for gay rights in America, they fight for gay rights everywhere where they're not there), WHEN EVENTUALLY THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE GAY RIGHTS! It's pretty freaking obvious that America will give complete rights for Gays. Half of Hollywood is either gay or Bisexual(more bisexuals though )

Same with Uganda. Eventually, There will be gay rights believe it or not. The people just need to decide for themselves.

Alchohol used to be banned in America, but EVENTUALLY it was repealed. Same with Uganda. Change happens all the time. Deal with it.

And, what Anonymous can do, to quicken the gay rights being legal in Uganda is maybe urge countries like Argentina, Canada, Germany, Iceland, Spain and Portugal where gay marriage is just called, marriage, to talk with Uganda PEACEFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY to change their laws so tyheir people will be more united, and to support teaching on how Homosexuality is okay and it's not bad at all.

But no, Anonymous has to forcibly do it.

Blood, How can I take you seriously when your own group isn't even Organized? How can I take you seriously when you have no leaders, when part of Anonymous can "declare war" or "take down a site" when the other, much bigger part doesn't even want it to happen? How can I take YOU serious when you're all pissy children who aren't getting their way as fast as you want it to happen?



Gay Rights will eventually be universal. Gay Rights is such a small right believe it or not. It just dicates weather some people can love others.

Slavery, which was a MUCH WORSE AND MORE IMPORTANT matter was eventually abolished universal.

Woman's Rights is practically Universal.


Gay Rights will eventually going to pass. If Slavery was much more worse and that became Universal, I'm sure Gay Rights will become universal too.

[paladin]

Blood, if you call, basically restricting someone's Freedom of Speech by taking down their sites, as helping citizens, is a good thing, you need some help.


Tell me, what exactly has Anonymous accomplished by hacking sites? Has any of their wants ever pulled through?
We started the revolutions in North Africa/The Middle East. Thanks to us, Egypt is free.

I still hear the Westboro Baptist Church being pretty active. I still hear homosexuality is illegal in Uganda. I still hear the Syrian Civil War is still going on.
WBC is a bunch of fools, Syrian Civil war isnt over yet because the UN and NATO refuse to do what they were made to do- be a peacekeeping force

Tell me, if what you guys do is so effective, shouldn't it work really fast?

Anonymous has been a "group" for a while now, and I don't see any of their goals yet to be achieved. Again, Anonymous is not a group, it is an idea. One cannot destroy an Idea. GGNoRe


Not everyone in the world has to abide by the same Humitarian Rights the rest of the World(more like a majority) follows. As long as the country isn't killing anyone, and the People aren't suffering extreme horrible conditions, I see no problem with it.
They are though
People can abide by their own customs, their own religion, their own laws, their own morales just like you can. And because one country doesn't agree, doesn't mean you can force your opinion on them by forcing them to change. It's rediculous.

Is the Ugandan Government killing any of it's homosexuals? No, all the Ugandan homosexuals who have died, have died from the PEOPLE OF UGANDA who don't like it. The homosexuals of Uganda brought it on themselves when telling everyone, in an anti-homosexual society that they are gay. They could have loved their gay lover in private.

Think of it like this: If you lived during Nazi Germany, and everyone's all like, "I hate Jews!" and these small group of people are like, "I love Jews!" or, "Jews have done nothing wrong to the German people! They've had no power whatsoever in the course of History, what could they have possibly done?" and those people say it PUBLICALLY, have little PUBLIC PROTESTS and announce on news stations and radios that they love Jews, What the hell do you think is going to happen? They're going to get killed. By who? Most likely the German people. They'd get to them first before the Nazi German Government can get their hands on them.
The German people would hand them to the Nazis, they'd get paid and niceness
Now, you might think, that, "Oh those people were stupid. They could've just kept to themselves and helped the Jews privately if they are brave enough."

Now, replace the Jews and Jew-supporters with Homosexuals of Uganda, and the German Government and it's anti jews with the Ugandan Government with it's anti homosexuals.


If the homosexuals of Uganda just kept down low, and loved their lovers, hid it as much as possible, and just WAIT for change, it will come. Nothing in History lasts forever.


And yes, Blood. You guys are acting like little children. Doesn't matter how old you are, you guys are acting childish. Your Age doesn't determine your personality or morals or decisions. By the age of 10-12, you can think on your own and have some level of mature thinking.

Like I said before in this post, Anonymous isn't helping anyone. They haven't achieved anything. If I say I support the LGBT Rights, but I don't donate money, I don't go to parades, I don't preach on how homosexuality is very natural and doesn't define anything physical, or mental-wise on the human body, am I really supporting them? Am I really doing anything productive?

No.

And Anonymous isn't doing anything either. They're just causing more political tension, more stupid-ass conflicts THAT WON'T HELP ANYTHING!

You're fighting for Gay Rights in America(Yes, Anonymous is fighting for gay rights in America, they fight for gay rights everywhere where they're not there), WHEN EVENTUALLY THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE GAY RIGHTS! It's pretty freaking obvious that America will give complete rights for Gays. Half of Hollywood is either gay or Bisexual(more bisexuals though )

Same with Uganda. Eventually, There will be gay rights believe it or not. The people just need to decide for themselves.

Alchohol used to be banned in America, but EVENTUALLY it was repealed. Same with Uganda. Change happens all the time. Deal with it.

And, what Anonymous can do, to quicken the gay rights being legal in Uganda is maybe urge countries like Argentina, Canada, Germany, Iceland, Spain and Portugal where gay marriage is just called, marriage, to talk with Uganda PEACEFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY to change their laws so tyheir people will be more united, and to support teaching on how Homosexuality is okay and it's not bad at all.

But no, Anonymous has to forcibly do it.

Blood, How can I take you seriously when your own group isn't even Organized? How can I take you seriously when you have no leaders, when part of Anonymous can "declare war" or "take down a site" when the other, much bigger part doesn't even want it to happen? How can I take YOU serious when you're all pissy children who aren't getting their way as fast as you want it to happen?
Thats the point. Its supposed to do whatever people want to do.


Gay Rights will eventually be universal. Gay Rights is such a small right believe it or not. It just dicates weather some people can love others.

Slavery, which was a MUCH WORSE AND MORE IMPORTANT matter was eventually abolished universally*.

Woman's Rights is practically Universal.


Gay Rights will eventually going to pass. If Slavery was much more worse and that became Universal, I'm sure Gay Rights will become universal too.

Done

[Shadowstar1922]

LOLOLOL XDDD


If Anonymous is an Idea, then you should really change your name.

And, this is the first time I've ever heard of an Idea that can do damage. O.o

Ideas don't have a physical form, they're merely a thought. If Anonymous is an Idea, how does it hack? Tell me that. Ideas can't do anything physical on their own.

Idea is just a term, a word in the English language as well as other languages.


And, the Ugandan Government isn't killing any homosexuals, they simply illegalized it. It's the PEOPLE OF UGANDA that kill them.

And, if you're gonna get pissy at the UN for not stepping in the Syrian War, why don't you get pissy about the UN NOT stepping in the Congoneese Wars, the Deadlest War in History since WWII, where a total of about 6-12 million people died, and the DR of the Congo comitting genocide, killing about, 3-5 million people I think it was?

You should also get pissy at the UN for executing a Cout d' oute(sorry if is spelled it wrong) on Haiti when the Haitian President didn't like the US.

You should also get pissy at the UN for letting the United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Poland, and a few other countries executing the Iraqi-American War of 2006(or 07?) when the UN didn't yet authorize it.

You should also get pissy at the UN for letting the United States go into Guatemala, forcing the Government to change their President to a Military Leader when Guatemala stepped out of the United Fruit Company when it's people were poor, and the Guatemalan Government gave the land they took from the United Fruit Company to it's poor people, and the USA justifying their Intervention, with helping the poor and going for the people is a Communist idea(which it actually is, communism does support the people, but this is for another topic) and causing complete Anarchy for Guatemala, and about 200,000 people died in Guatemala from this chaos, Which the USA was responsible for.


You should also be pissy at the UN for letting the United States doing the same exact thing with Chile, but less chaos and deaths, and when the US basically freaked up the whole South American continent and Latin America with their dumb interventions and what not, basically stalling the countries from economic and social growth during the Cold War.


You should also be pissy at the UN for letting the United States hire thousands of terrorists to take out the Democracy in Iran during the 60's-70's when the Democratic State of Iran had canceled the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company with England, Iran taking their oil and selling it so they can advance and grow and reform the country to make it better, which was Mohgassi(sorry about incorrect spelling) who was, as Forbes said in around 1963 one of the most amazing Democratic Leaders of the modern Islamic Generation, and will be known as an amazing leader for Democracy for the Middle East, something along the lines of that. You should also get pissy at the UK for spreading propaganda that Islams are terrorists and evil, when in fact, Mohgassi wanted to invade Afghanistan to rid the Communist gripped country and who, greatly opposed Communism and hated Russia and China.


You should also be pissy at the UN for allowing a violent shift of power in Iran when the US-hired terrorists took down the Democratic Government of Iran and returned the Shah(king) and monarchy came back, then another great shift of power into the Islamic Republic of Iran with a mix of tight religious control mixed with the Fundamental Democratic rights(bill of rights of America) though some corruption.



The UN is EXTREMELY biast and has freaked up more than you or I can account for, and these are just the smallest times they freaked up. So don't use the excuse that the United Nations isn't doing their job, when they're not very good at it. Your argument there is invalid.

Have a nice day.

[J3rdegree]

you have the wrong idea on the 1st part shad, anon is a group of people who share the same views/ideas
anyone sharing the same ideals is technically anonymous even if they aren't taking action. The anon hacktivists is just a portion of people with the same idea fighting directly to try to make their idea reality.

[paladin]

LOLOLOL XDDD


If Anonymous is an Idea, then you should really change your name.

And, this is the first time I've ever heard of an Idea that can do damage. O.o

Ideas don't have a physical form, they're merely a thought. If Anonymous is an Idea, how does it hack? Tell me that. Ideas can't do anything physical on their own.
Joshypoo answered this well.
Idea is just a term, a word in the English language as well as other languages.


And, the Ugandan Government isn't killing any homosexuals, they simply illegalized it. It's the PEOPLE OF UGANDA that kill them.

And, if you're gonna get pissy at the UN for not stepping in the Syrian War, why don't you get pissy about the UN NOT stepping in the Congoneese Wars, the Deadlest War in History since WWII, where a total of about 6-12 million people died, and the DR of the Congo comitting genocide, killing about, 3-5 million people I think it was?

You should also get pissy at the UN for executing a Cout d' oute(sorry if is spelled it wrong) on Haiti when the Haitian President didn't like the US.

You should also get pissy at the UN for letting the United States, Australia, the United Kingdom, Poland, and a few other countries executing the Iraqi-American War of 2006(or 07?) when the UN didn't yet authorize it.
They're still sovereign nations. The UN doesn't have to authorize what wars they fight.
You should also get pissy at the UN for letting the United States go into Guatemala, forcing the Government to change their President to a Military Leader when Guatemala stepped out of the United Fruit Company when it's people were poor, and the Guatemalan Government gave the land they took from the United Fruit Company to it's poor people, and the USA justifying their Intervention, with helping the poor and going for the people is a Communist idea(which it actually is, communism does support the people, but this is for another topic) and causing complete Anarchy for Guatemala, and about 200,000 people died in Guatemala from this chaos, Which the USA was responsible for.
Then why do you want me mad at the UN if its the USA's fault?

You should also be pissy at the UN for letting the United States doing the same exact thing with Chile, but less chaos and deaths, and when the US basically freaked up the whole South American continent and Latin America with their dumb interventions and what not, basically stalling the countries from economic and social growth during the Cold War.
You want to get nuked? Have it your way. I'd rather not get nuked by anyone.

You should also be pissy at the UN for letting the United States hire thousands of terrorists to take out the Democracy in Iran during the 60's-70's when the Democratic State of Iran had canceled the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company with England, Iran taking their oil and selling it so they can advance and grow and reform the country to make it better, which was Mohgassi(sorry about incorrect spelling) who was, as Forbes said in around 1963 one of the most amazing Democratic Leaders of the modern Islamic Generation, and will be known as an amazing leader for Democracy for the Middle East, something along the lines of that. You should also get pissy at the UK for spreading propaganda that Islams are terrorists and evil, when in fact, Mohgassi wanted to invade Afghanistan to rid the Communist gripped country and who, greatly opposed Communism and hated Russia and China.
Next you're gonna say that the US Gov actually put Osama in witness protection. The Islams arent terrible and evil, there just happen to be terrible and evil people that happen to be islamic as well as other religions.

You should also be pissy at the UN for allowing a violent shift of power in Iran when the US-hired terrorists took down the Democratic Government of Iran and returned the Shah(king) and monarchy came back, then another great shift of power into the Islamic Republic of Iran with a mix of tight religious control mixed with the Fundamental Democratic rights(bill of rights of America) though some corruption.



The UN is EXTREMELY biased* and has freaked up more than you or I can account for, and these are just the smallest times they freaked up. So don't use the excuse that the United Nations isn't doing their job, when they're not very good at it. Your argument there is invalid.
Look at your last sentance. Look at yourself. Back at the sentance, back to yourself. That only applies to yourself as the UN is doing their job, and neither you nor I can help the self preserving and self helping nature of humans. GeeGeeNoRe.
Have a nice day.

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