GarthVader449 wrote:You can't say the "UK Grading score", there many different exam boards and in Scotland a completely different education system. Each grading system is specific to that board and again to that territory, i.e England and Wales have A*, Scotland's A is equivalent to a A*, So, There is no UK Grading score.
And in Scotland, over the age of 16, if you're a less well off family you can get payed to stay on at school. Trying to encourage people to get better jobs In the future and not jump straight into the job market.
not to be rude or anything and this is gonna come off as it but i do not intend it
but could you lay out the scottish grading systems and other differences?
IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:yo this topic is old as fuck so let me post a thing
seeing as the grading system in the us is complete bullshit, i can see why someone in america would want to drop out of school.
Bullshit, just an excuse. My views on education are that anything below perfect means nothing. To me missing one question is pretty much an F. If you cannot do something, you are not trying hard enough. Education itself is screwed up for not being a something everyone can do. Primarily education is designed to start for girls sooner than boys(Biology).(That's why the drop outs rates are higher for males than females.) Education is also designed to be one way, because teachers aren't given the liberty to try something new by their board.(The board's belief is that we've been doing it this way and we should continue to do it this way) As a student, you can do more by applying yourself.
I remember in 8th grade, I had a class where the teacher was unable to teach me because of the stupid people in the room. The stupid people deprived me of my education, but that didn't stop me. I went on to get perfect scores on the exams for that class at the end of the year, because I took the liberty of designing a schedule for learning from the text book. That class was U.S. History. History has always been my least favorite of all my classes, yet I'm good at it because of the need to apply myself.
I view dropping out as a declaration of surrender. It's pretty much saying school was too hard, so you had to drop out. It's sad to me, because the majority, if not all, of those students could have done so much more. They simply did not want to do the bare minimum and decided they should drop out. If I could have a say in how education works in the United States, I would make it mandatory to get some form of education until you are 18. If you do not want to sit in a classroom with students who will distract you from the education you are trying to get, personal tutors would help you in a one-on-one session. If you need a schedule to adapt to your need for a work schedule, that would be accomplished as well. The tutors would not be paid by the district, they would be paid by the government for their services. Students who just want to not learn things they feel as unnecessary could do that, by getting programs designed specifically for the field(s) they wish to enter. Truancy would be punished far more severely than it is now.
Lamb, parents with views like that is why kids go through psychological and social trauma. Not everyone is going to meet those bullshit, too high standards.
Not everyone can do anything they want just because they work really hard for it, and do the things that they can.
Not everything in education is going to click with every kid as well as you want it to have happened.
That's like making someone who has some disadvantage with their legs, whether it be soft bones, muscle problems, a mutation within how energy flows, and you putting them on an expectation to be a track star. I mean, they go through all the training, right? they do the jogs, run the treadmill, stretch really good, eat a good diet, but well shit, it just doesn't work out well because something is stopping them from reaching those standards.
The same is with kids and education. Learning specific topics. Not everyone is going to master everything and to have that ignorant view that, "oh if you couldn't get an A on it, then you weren't trying" tears people up and makes them feel like shit because you push them to meet a level they could never achieve in the first place.
I get if you want to have that view when raising kids and you want to push them to make the standards and maybe make a world where,"well everyone else can do it, so you can"
and that is fine. That pushed me to become so indulged in education. But there are just some kids who can't make that cut, who just can't do it and to continuously call them a failure and that they are useless,and then support a system that says that on it's own, is just plain wrong.
Lamb, parents with views like that is why kids go through psychological and social trauma. Not everyone is going to meet those bullshit, too high standards.
Not everyone can do anything they want just because they work really hard for it, and do the things that they can.
Not everything in education is going to click with every kid as well as you want it to have happened.
That's like making someone who has some disadvantage with their legs, whether it be soft bones, muscle problems, a mutation within how energy flows, and you putting them on an expectation to be a track star. I mean, they go through all the training, right? they do the jogs, run the treadmill, stretch really good, eat a good diet, but well shit, it just doesn't work out well because something is stopping them from reaching those standards.
The same is with kids and education. Learning specific topics. Not everyone is going to master everything and to have that ignorant view that, "oh if you couldn't get an A on it, then you weren't trying" tears people up and makes them feel like shit because you push them to meet a level they could never achieve in the first place.
I get if you want to have that view when raising kids and you want to push them to make the standards and maybe make a world where,"well everyone else can do it, so you can"
and that is fine. That pushed me to become so indulged in education. But there are just some kids who can't make that cut, who just can't do it and to continuously call them a failure and that they are useless,and then support a system that says that on it's own, is just plain wrong.
Shadowstar1922 wrote:Lamb, parents with views like that is why kids go through psychological and social trauma. Not everyone is going to meet those bullshit, too high standards.
Not everyone can do anything they want just because they work really hard for it, and do the things that they can.
Not everything in education is going to click with every kid as well as you want it to have happened.
That's like making someone who has some disadvantage with their legs, whether it be soft bones, muscle problems, a mutation within how energy flows, and you putting them on an expectation to be a track star. I mean, they go through all the training, right? they do the jogs, run the treadmill, stretch really good, eat a good diet, but well shit, it just doesn't work out well because something is stopping them from reaching those standards.
The same is with kids and education. Learning specific topics. Not everyone is going to master everything and to have that ignorant view that, "oh if you couldn't get an A on it, then you weren't trying" tears people up and makes them feel like shit because you push them to meet a level they could never achieve in the first place.
I get if you want to have that view when raising kids and you want to push them to make the standards and maybe make a world where,"well everyone else can do it, so you can"
and that is fine. That pushed me to become so indulged in education. But there are just some kids who can't make that cut, who just can't do it and to continuously call them a failure and that they are useless,and then support a system that says that on it's own, is just plain wrong.
First, let's just say I wish for parents like that, I'd be out of school roughly 5 years ago, and studying for my actual dream job, however life doesn't go that way.
"too high standards" That's complete bullshit. Standards are so low in the United States, you practically just have to show up to school just to get the stupid diploma.
Comparing a person's knowledge to their physical capabilities isn't really a good view point, since you can overcome them.
I never said they have to be good at everything. and hopefully it does tear the lazy slackers up who have the chance and don't take it. I am a strong believer of neuroplasticity, so saying someone cannot learn something from practicing it over and over is complete bullshit as well.
If you cannot make the cut, tough luck. Some other person, who can, will gladly come up to do it. That's how I've been treated by teachers and oh well, one even told me to kill myself for the betterment of the group, but I went ahead and stayed and finished the course because it's expected of me to fail.
My point is, education is available for everyone, and there are some too lazy to take advantage of them. For those people, I strongly do not care for, and would even go on to say that I feel better without knowing them. Now for those who are willing to try, I'll make exceptions and help them find a way.
Lamb wrote:First, let's just say I wish for parents like that, I'd be out of school roughly 5 years ago, and studying for my actual dream job, however life doesn't go that way.
"too high standards" That's complete bullshit. Standards are so low in the United States, you practically just have to show up to school just to get the stupid diploma.
Comparing a person's knowledge to their physical capabilities isn't really a good view point, since you can overcome them.
I never said they have to be good at everything. and hopefully it does tear the lazy slackers up who have the chance and don't take it. I am a strong believer of neuroplasticity, so saying someone cannot learn something from practicing it over and over is complete bullshit as well.
If you cannot make the cut, tough luck. Some other person, who can, will gladly come up to do it. That's how I've been treated by teachers and oh well, one even told me to kill myself for the betterment of the group, but I went ahead and stayed and finished the course because it's expected of me to fail.
My point is, education is available for everyone, and there are some too lazy to take advantage of them. For those people, I strongly do not care for, and would even go on to say that I feel better without knowing them. Now for those who are willing to try, I'll make exceptions and help them find a way.
The way I see this is as a metaphor, there are those who want to clean the junk and there are those who want to incinerate it. Yes, education can be put at high priority, believe me, four hours of studying a night for two weeks for a test you got thirty percent will shred your soul away. Yes, there are people who cannot make the cut, though we don't yet quite make sacrifices of time enough in our young age to commit enough so most of these ones still maintain the things they love while doing work. And yes there are a whole lot of people who give no shits about education, believe me I have seen six people sent to a behavioural school. Me myself I personally do not believe in ADHD and 'disorders' that cause you to act not limited to and not nescesarrily: Violent, Lazy, Loud, and generally ASBO material. I believe that isn't a behavioural disorder, that's how you behave.
And I know there are people with learning difficulties, I know people with learning difficulties. I have no problem with them and I believe that they should be helped along as much as they need, within Eason of course. And an less than an A is like nothing makes you sound like this guy.
Honestly now that I think about it more and more, this post is a bit of sticking a nose into someone else's business, though for Lamb I think it's a resume for when he gets into a position of being able to reform an education system. Though with all due respect the are points I agree with in both sides. I just think there is one big thing we need, that is more teachers, even just more learning assistants, those can help put success rates up a whole lot more, you can't get help if the teacher or learning assistant is busy with someone else so that's my analogy.
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