Psychiatry and Guns; Obama's terror reign continues.

[Axel]

Obama's Signs Executive Action: If A Child 'Confesses' To A Pediatrician That Mommy & Daddy Have A Gun In The House, Feds Can Disarm Parents…

I have written extensively about the horrendous and ongoing efforts by the Veterans Administration to disarm American military veterans by declaring them incompetent to handle their financial affairs due to physical or mental disabilities. Once declared incompetent the veterans are arbitrarily stripped of their Second Amendment right to purchase, own, or possess a firearm.

This is all being done by broadening the definition of mental illness to the point of absurdity. Often with the VA there is no psychiatrist or psychologist involved in the determination of incompetence. Instead, some untrained bureaucrat reviews the file of the veteran and if they find any mention of PTSD or the use of the word depression they seize on that and make the declaration of incompetence. There is no legal adjudication process involved in this; the veterans have no right to due process as required by the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. It is tyranny in its purest form.

Unfortunately, what the VA is doing is not new. The use of phony psychiatry has been a weapon of tyranny for decades. In dictatorships like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Cuba, and China people who opposed the regime would be declared mentally ill and placed in psychiatric hospitals or internment camps. That way no charges had to be filed and no evidence offered that an individual had committed a crime.

For the Nazis it was initially a perfect way to deal with the Jews and other groups that they considered sub human. If you were Jewish you had to mentally defective and therefor you could be put in a hospital and experimented on. It was the beginning of the holocaust. In the Soviet Union anyone who was not a devout supporter of Communism was held in an institution and then often sent on to the Gulag where they could be worked and starved to death.

We have certainly not reached that point in the United States, but we have reached the point where the basic premise is the same. The VA is using declarations of mental illness to disarm veterans and there have been reports of states like California doing the same. If it happening to veterans now how long will it be before it starts happening to other American citizens?

Consider this; soon those stalwarts of integrity who run the IRS will have access to the medical records of every American. They will be able to review them to see if you have ever told a doctor that you were depressed, ever suffered from PTSD after the loss of a loved one or from being in an accident, or even suffered from some minor memory loss. Based on the criteria being used by the VA the IRS could declare you mentally defective and put you on the list of people that can’t legally purchase or own firearms.

You also have to consider the fact that one of the 23 so called executive actions on gun control Obama recently signed called for doctors to ask their patients if they owned a firearm. This is not just directed at psychiatrists, but at all physicians including pediatricians. In other words, if your child confesses that Mommy and Daddy have a gun in the house that could conceivably be considered the actions of mentally defective individuals and you could be disarmed. Once we are disarmed we cease to be citizens and become subjects.

What are your thoughts on how this will affect so many people in America? If I was told this on the street, and asked this question, I honestly wouldn't know what to say. This is throwing up a major red flag in my eyes...he's trying to disarm everyone in the country, just so that he can copy some of the most powerful dictators of history. Mass-genocide is where I can see this going, and nowhere else.

[J3rdegree]

first... SPOILER ALERT OBAMA WONT BE IN OFFICE MUCH LONGER ANYWAYS

Okay i have a few qualms with this.
A) the bias in this article is astounding... no where close to reliable with such a one tracked opinion, not even bothering to reference countries where gun control leads to hundreds of thousands less deaths (UK for example)
B) This article bounces around to some very irrelevant and harsh hyperbolies that are the equivalent of comparing a kid being pushed down in a playground to a full scale terrorist attack (yes i know the hypocrisy of that statement, i did it to prove a point)
C) Gun control isnt something to really worry about at all...
C1)if you are scared of being attacked at home a knife is statistically more deadly than a gun within 13ft, and i dont think many bedrooms and hallways are bigger than 15 ft.
C1-2)Where are you that is so sketchy that you feel you are going to be attacked by an armed robber.....
C2)Go and learn active gun defense, krav-maga is a good place to look for up to date and effective ways of defending yourself.
C3)The longer there is gun control the less guns there will be in the criminal society. People who have guns will be reported to if seen and the guns will be removed. I know it will take a few years, but the criminal community will have almost no access to firearms eventually.
D) THE GOVERNMENT ISNT OUT TO GET YOU WITH GUN CONTROL
I know the US gov looks corrupt at times, and im not saying it isnt, but the gun laws would be there to protect thousands of Americans each year who die from attacks from those with guns. (again reference the strict gun laws in the UK and how little gun-related crimes there are)

For recreational use of guns... I have gone hunting before and honestly prefer a crossbow over a gun... people can adjust to that.

[Axel]

I did not write the post, but you make very valid points. Not much I can really say, though. Obama will be around for 2 and a half more years, though. There's another point.

[Noonie]

-please please please don't ever think it's okay to stigmatize mental illness the way this article does; whoever wrote this article clearly doesn't understand it. "mentally defective"? gross.
-don't compare anyone to nazis unless that is literally what they are

Consider this; soon those stalwarts of integrity who run the IRS will have access to the medical records of every American. They will be able to review them to see if you have ever told a doctor that you were depressed, ever suffered from PTSD after the loss of a loved one or from being in an accident, or even suffered from some minor memory loss. Based on the criteria being used by the VA the IRS could declare you mentally defective and put you on the list of people that can’t legally purchase or own firearms.

-the irs is the Internal Revenue Service. they aren't in charge of that.
-can i have a link to the source of this?

[Shadowstar1922]

Just to make you guys aware, the President doesn't have much power in the Government. In Theory, he has 33.333% power in the government, and since he has his Board of Administration, giving specific duties to other people, like Minister of Finance, Minister of Labor, etc, he has even less power.

All the President can really do is pass laws. Yes, he has a lot of influence, but that's all he can really do. Suggest laws. Not pass laws.

The President doesn't decide what the tax level is, and what the country spends. He may suggest, and give his requested budget to Congress, but Congress doesn't have to listen to him. Congress can even completely ignore the President if they want, and I'm sure that's happened before.

Congress, since it is the Representative body in the US, basically decides laws and what we spend and so forth. the Supreme Court keeps Congress in Check by making sure they don't pass anything unconstitutional(they aren't doing a good job at it either)

So, "Obama's Reign of Terror" is just Obama trying to get Congress to pass a bill that doesn't even take away the 2nd amendment, but puts limitations to it. No one flipped out when there were put limits on Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of the Press, and all our other constitutional rights, but all of a sudden when Obama is trying to get a bill passed, that all it does is make sure responsible citizens are getting guns and putting regulations on them and making sure criminals don't get them, all of a sudden that means we don't have the 2nd amendment.

Yes, Obama is a bad President like the rest and just adds on to the Imperialist America in the world, and so forth, but this is one of the right things he's doing and this is where I rarely stand with Obama on this issue.

But, don't think the President has all that power when he doesn't. Stop blaming him for things he can't really control, like our debt. Congress decides what the country spends, not the President.