God... Science?

[Sugilite-Rocks]

obs god isn't a person he is a god a REAL one we realy have to pray to him and the world didn't begin with a big explosion nor a black hole if you were a muslim you would understand everything

[ObsidianTheGod]

obs god isn't a person he is a god a REAL one we realy have to pray to him and the world didn't begin with a big explosion nor a black hole if you were a muslim you would understand everything

Marvel, as I explained in my Theory, it's my belief, and my opinion.
I respect your religion, and what you believe in, could you respect mine?(:

[GarthVader449]

[url]I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong.[/url]
How many religions are in the world? Hundreds, probaly thousands.
My question is how can so many religions claim to be right and beleive they are right. If you beleive in one religion, you basiclly beleive all the rest are stories or made up; but how do you know.....
If G-d wanted to test us, why did he help them thousands of years ago and not now.... maybe he has given up on us....
I respect people with belief because that is what they truely beleive, and remeber I am not saying any-one is wrong.

Me: I do not have any religion or belief, yet I'm not an athiest. I don't know what to beleive and will never decide, if one religion is right then I shall find out when I die, if not then I shall never know....

[Sugilite-Rocks]

garth if you didn't know you will die and go to jahnem

[GarthVader449]

garth if you didn't know you will die and go to jahnem

Well so be it, I will always no I remained open minded and repected every-one's beleif. And if G-d is forgiving and understands that I respected every single person on this planet then I don't see why he/she/etc... can.
And Marvel this is my opinion, and I pretty clear in any religion it doesn't say disrespect others or disrespect people because they haven't found the right 'Faith' yet.

[Gyro_Plasma]

We have had this topic way too much

[ObsidianTheGod]

garth if you didn't know you will die and go to jahnem

Everybody is entitled to a belief. And as Garth said,God forgives all.

We have had this topic way too much

Not really. It's more or less my opinion, and my views sent out to the crowd to read, and open minded people to think about.

And it's not Science VS. Religion either.

[Shadow00]

My opinion concerning the big bang etc.
Until everything is discovered, you can see that there is a point in the big bang that we dont understand, a dark spot lets say.
People look at that spot, and say "its god".
Others look at it and try to figure it out.
So basically its just every person's opinion.
Now as to religion, its pretty much obvious that after the 3 first ones (Chinese, Greek and native American) the others pretty much rip those off.
Here's a tip. When you believe in a religion and asked "why?", the only legit answer is "because i want to". Trying to scientifically prove god...
Doesnt work. Unless god is a particle. Some sarcasm intended.

[meiguorach]

Very interesting view, Obs. ^^

Before I begin

Just want to point out that though I do not agree with most of what has been written on here, I am not a hater. I am simply stating my own opinions and trying to figure out why exactly some people believe what they do.

Before I begin...

What is God?
To most, he is a person, or an extremely strong presence that can do/create anything, or heal, and... You get the gist.
Let me ask you... What if God is not that person? I believe in God. But no, not in the sense that he is a "Great Lord that we need to pray to".

Just one comment about this... And, again, I don't mean to start up a big argument or offend you. How can you believe in God and not believe he is the "Great Lord that we need to pray to"?

A few weeks ago, I was talking with a friend, about the big bang.
We came to the conclusion, that this universe, (Space/time) is just a repeat. Our universe is expanding. What happens when it expands so much it needs to retract (Out of poor gravity started by the big bang)? !!
It comes back on it's self.
Now, Steven Hawkin has PROVED that a black hole-type thing was BEFORE the big bang. (But he is struggling as to what created those particles in the beginning, unfortunately).
Since our universe will (In trillions and trillions and trillions of years) retract, until it's all into one GREAT GREAT big clash, making every particle SO SMALL, the energy becoming so outstanding you CANNOT begin to even imagine the pressure and force. How can you stop a universe coming back on itself? You can't. Making the universe into very tiny particles known as the big bang. And what happens to that mass amount of energy in such a small place? BOOM. The big bang... Again... So, this is the second time the big bang has happened. Right? So if it's happened again, what's to say it's not happened before?
So we're on a loop. Going back and forth, over and over. Our universe could have had millions of life cycles. But enough about that.

Time.
Something we cannot change, scientifically proven. (Unless you go through a black hole?! But you'd die obviously. So not possible).
We cannot go back, go forward, nothing. We stay here, in the now. Making time the most untouchable, and powerful thing to exist.
So, since this is the case, and all. That means particles must/may have been exactly where they are now... Meaning I've typed this before, I've lived this life before. Everything has already happened.

(A little off topic here)
Time travelling is impossible. Even if it was possible, they would end up in a NEW dimension. For example:
If I was to count to ten. And if you was to let me do that. I have already done it. It has been done, it's written in history. But you go back in time, and stop me... You can't, it's already been done, you've left the original dimension to another one you've created, to stop me from reaching 10.
But, what if someone was to find out a way to actually travel back in time, (Without leaving our dimension)? And had the same mindset as I do here? And was able to stop the universe from expanding? That means a lot of changes.
The direction of the universe, changes the direction of every dimension we know of. That's a lot of change, but most importantly, it means we cannot have another loop. It's stopped, that's it. NO more.

(Back on topic).
So, we're partially on the same question, what made the first loop? It can't just happen, what made that incredible energy? God. God created, and IS the pattern of the particles, and 'this', happened. Us, planets, everything. Big bang. Etc.

Your theory, as I've already stated, is mucho interesting. I don't agree, mind you, but I found it interesting. Concerning the Big Bang.. I ask you again. How can you believe in God--a God who you believe created the "incredible energy" and is the "pattern of the particles" which eventually brought about you and me--and not worship Him? All I've seen in your post is that you believe there is no greater power in the universe than God. And if God is the greatest power in the Universe, don't you think He could have created the world/universe in 7 days like the Bible says? The Big Bang theory has not been proven 100%, the entire existence of it resting on the conclusion about the tiny particles that came from nowhere and collided. You say that was God... but it would have been much simpler for Him to simply create the world in 7 days then go through the trouble of the Big Bang.

I think the Bible, (Again before I continue, I still strongly respect beliefs) milks the God thing. And writes stories, there isn't any commandments, it's to keep us on the right path. Every Bible, or religion starts with a God. And ends with some sort of end-of-the-world theory.
What if it we take away the word world, and replaced it with universe...?
They say God gave us freewill. So why follow commandments if we have it? He could have just gave us all our emotions and feelings, and ambitions, except anger, curiosity... So forth.

And how would you have enjoyed being a robot, Obs? Having no say in what you want to feel, what you want to do. Sounds like an exciting life, alright. If you were the Creator humankind, what reasons would you have to give them freewill? If they were without freewill, you wouldn't have the joy of seeing your creation choose to follow you because they wanted to, because they loved you. All you would have is them loving you because they had to. I always enjoy it when other people learn something new about me. If we didn't have freewill, we would never learn new things about God. If I enjoy it when one person discovers something new, how much more would God enjoy to see his entire create discover it? If we didn't have freewill, we would never make mistakes and would never grow. While I don't like making mistakes, I always enjoy overcoming them and through overcoming it, drawing closer to God. If I had created a human being, I would love to see her/him overcome and draw closer to me. Another person brought up the fact that God uses freewill as a test to see how much we love him. God does that too, but that isn't the main reason.

Religion just started science, science is just helping us knowledge things.

I believe that God created science, and that yes, science helps makes us knowledgeable about things. But I also know science can't prove everything... and that it can never disprove its Creator.


Wellllll, there's my two cents. Again, I don't mean to offend anybody. I just very interested in discovering why you believe exactly what you believe. Nice post!

[ghost 9]

Definitely an interesting concept. And as to the big bang theory, I thought that they had concluded that all the pent up heat caused the explosion?