Republicans Shutdown US Government Over Healthcare

[Shadow00]

I just had to go online when I heard about this.
So we've got the Democratic side(Shadowstar) and the Republican side of things,(ghost)
as well as the neutral side (Connor).

On my own side here, I'm adding the belief that both sides are doing great and have a perfect confrontation right now. Putting the fact that these 2 might work together aside, it was something well awaited.
Republicans, having most control over the congress and Democrats having the government are pretty much daring each other for so long to go to the extreme.

Well Obama did go to the extreme now, and I'm telling you, it's not a bad decision, nor a good one. I think Connor with the 5 year olds example was spot on.
If I were a US citizen though, I'd vote for someone else on the next elections.
Not gonna happen,right?

[Shadowstar1922]

I just think we should do what Australia did. Fire everyone, and do elections all over again. Australia never had another government shutdown again. :3

[Excalibur]

OK i will just lay it out.

Everyone knows when you don't have money you don't spend more.
Obama spent more
now we are in huge debt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYKAbRK_wKA watch very important.
cut back, focus on the states not external affairs.
everything will be fine

btw i am republican. #Texas.

[Shadowstar1922]

OK i will just lay it out.

Everyone knows when you don't have money you don't spend more.
Tell that to every other country in the world.

Obama spent more
Congress spent more*. Read the constitution.
now we are in huge debt.
Huge portions of spending Congress tells Obama to spend(if you knew how the budget works, then you'd get what I just said) have been passed bills that previous presidents have signed that Obama cannot repeal without going through drastic processes. And, the deficit(how much money the country looses every year) has gone down 500-1 trillion dollars since he was elected in.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYKAbRK_wKA watch very important.
cut back, focus on the states not external affairs.
Because Bush did such a good job focusing on the country as he invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, labeled Iran into the Axis of Evil for asking for peace, allowed imprisonment for numerous people in Guantanamo Bay without trial, that violated US Domestic laws, and international laws, and he did such an amazing job when he focused on domestic issues during the time he gave relief to victims of Katrina(UMS was the first government to officially assist the victims, excluding State Governments.)

Raegen did a fantastic job too, helping domestic issues by causing 8 government shutdowns because he refused to sign any bill to inrease spending on health, labor, job creation, and education at the cost of decreasing spending on defense/military. He obviously stayed out of international business when he allowed, and actually helped Iraq wage illegal chemical warfare against Iran and also sold Iran weapons to take out Iraq, to balance both sides to continue the war as long as possible so both sides would be devistated(but more importantly Iran).
everything will be fine

btw i am republican. #Texas.

And please, don't argue the fact that Obama spent more money than Bush did. When did the economic recession hit? Right at the end of Bush's term, not caused by Bush, nor caused by Obama, but was the domino effect when Bill Clinton(his worst decision in history) repealed the Glass-Steagall pact that said that Banks may NOT use client's money for investment, and stated a clear separation between investment and commercial activities. This let banks do extremely risky investments and the money they used was mainly from the personal banks of their clients, so they wouldn't have to use their own profits. When they lost the risk, Banks had to do major borrowing to return the money they took from their clients, which caused a lot of them to crash, or declare bankruptcy.

Yes, Bush did do some bad economic activities, but the things he did would never have resulted in the economic recession that happened in 2008-09. May have caused a little dip, but nothing too seriously.

Now, a new President, having to deal with a sudden economic crash when banks and corporations went waaaaay too far in risk investments, and for some odd reason, the media and the People demands he find a solution to the debt, as if he actually has power to stop the deficit when it's all up to Congress so the people would not be angry as if with Congress in general. It's all just a ploy to derive Congress' fault to the President.

But, on technicalities, the President does spend the money, but does not decide what to spend it on. During Obama's presidency, the debt was at 10 trillion, now it is at 14 trillion. Don't say Obama spent more than all the other president's combined, for he only spent 4-5 billion. Where the hell did the other 10 billion come from? Oh yeah, that's right, other presidents(technically congress).

So, please don't blame any president whatsoever on spending(unless they aggressively pushed for more/less spending through bills then yes they're responsible for that, but Congress can 1) ignore, 2) accept and edit, but even those bills do not dictate everything, but describe specific spending).

Congress is the one who you should be mad at when it comes to the spending.

Republicans, nor Democrats are solely responsible, but it was just a bill that secured economic safety and protection to people who invested money into banks for them to protect and handle, that was repealed by a Democratic President because all politicians are bought by Corporations and Banks and said corporations and banks wanted to play with peoples' money and the economy like some game, so they slipped in a little somethin' somethin' to get a certain bill repealed.

A Major thing to fix the economy, is to bring back Glass-Steagall, which Senator Elizabeth Warren(D) and Senator John McCain(R) have been working on for quite some time. So, be happy with those two when it comes to the deficit and budget,and stop blaming people who are given to you as a choice on who to blame in the media.

[Shadowstar1922]

Oh Obama.

[Shadowstar1922]

He swears a lot, so be prepared.

[Shadowstar1922]

[Excalibur]

You can ask the congress to make a bill, even though you cannot do it yourself...

[Shadowstar1922]

You can ask the congress to make a bill, even though you cannot do it yourself...

You can make the bill yourself. But, politicians usually do it with a group of their allies in Congress.

[Excalibur]

I meant the executive branch cannot make bills lol