Photographer's image, iwo jima with pride flag. people mad

[Toady]

I really don't like the transformation of any iconic military photo. I respect the military way too much. I don't feel like getting into the argument of "The Military has done just as much wrong as it has right" because the fact of the matter is, people go and put their lives on the line to make sure that our rights stay our rights and they even protect our right to do stuff like this to pictures. However, when someone does something like this to an iconic military photo, which was taken after so many Americans died for a mission they didn't know the ulterior motives behind because they weren't higher ups, it doesn't rub me the right way.

[Shadowstar1922]

I really don't like the transformation of any iconic military photo. I respect the military way too much. I don't feel like getting into the argument of "The Military has done just as much wrong as it has right" because the fact of the matter is, people go and put their lives on the line to make sure that our rights stay our rights and they even protect our right to do stuff like this to pictures. However, when someone does something like this to an iconic military photo, which was taken after so many Americans died for a mission they didn't know the ulterior motives behind because they weren't higher ups, it doesn't rub me the right way.

why are you acting like the military and queer people are two seperate groups

like did everyone kinda forget gay people have been in the military all the time??

the military general during the war of independence, he was from Prussia, and he introduced the 100 minute man tactic where you train 100 soldiers elite style, and then they all train 100 soldiers elite style, etc, and because of that sole tactic, it was a driving force for the development of our nation. yeah other stuff like gurella warfare and narrow guns helped, but what the gay prussian general did was momentous.

a gay guy literally created our nation by running away from europe to help us

and now that gay guy's people (the queer people in general) now are close to being equal in society and equally represented and given legal protections, i'm sure a military salute is a okay, and a reference to military culture is a okay.

come on guys.

this isn't an insult at all.

it's a unification and recognition of two entities in society finally coming together. From the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell to the Pentagon announcing that they're planning to allow transgender people to serve openly in the military, they're finally coming together and gaining the respect on both sides. And you still want to treat them differently?? As if being gay or bi or transgender or just queer in general needs to be seperated from being a human american fighting for this country?????

and you say you support the military. Unless a gay military soldier makes a reference to being gay and being proud for surviving everything they've gone through. NOPE SORR YOU GOTTA BE STRAIGHT TO ADD TO MILITARY CULTURE

[TheKingsHills]

I really don't like the transformation of any iconic military photo. I respect the military way too much. I don't feel like getting into the argument of "The Military has done just as much wrong as it has right" because the fact of the matter is, people go and put their lives on the line to make sure that our rights stay our rights and they even protect our right to do stuff like this to pictures. However, when someone does something like this to an iconic military photo, which was taken after so many Americans died for a mission they didn't know the ulterior motives behind because they weren't higher ups, it doesn't rub me the right way.

why are you acting like the military and queer people are two seperate groups


well I mean they are 2 different groups. You have the military as a group and queer people as another group.
Unless the military and queer people as a whole are the same thing.
I don't think anyone is ignoring the fact that queer people have served and are serving in the military. It's just that it's not relevant to this picture.


like did everyone kinda forget gay people have been in the military all the time??


I'm certain that there are people who don't know or have forgotten that they are gay people in the military. But I'm also certain that many of these people don't care aboot the sexuality of the people in said military. These people served in the military. They've put their lives on the lines for this country and its safety.

the military general during the war of independence, he was from Prussia, and he introduced the 100 minute man tactic where you train 100 soldiers elite style, and then they all train 100 soldiers elite style, etc, and because of that sole tactic, it was a driving force for the development of our nation. yeah other stuff like gurella warfare and narrow guns helped, but what the gay prussian general did was momentous.

a gay guy literally created our nation by running away from europe to help us

I'm unsure of how any of that is relevant to this discussion.
The picture was a modification of the struggle of marines trying to put up a flag to represent the struggle of equality.
It doesn't look like anyone is interpreting it as a representation of the achievements of queer people in the military.


and now that gay guy's people (the queer people in general) now are close to being equal in society and equally represented and given legal protections, i'm sure a military salute is a okay, and a reference to military culture is a okay.

This, I'm unsure aboot. I can sort of see a military salute(?) but even then that's sort of iffy.
Regardless, the thing is. No one touches the iwo jima picture, modifying it like what has been done. Time Magazine couldn't do it. Nike couldn't.
There is always backlash whenever the iwo jima is parodied like this, and the image becomes high profile.


come on guys.

this isn't an insult at all.

it's a unification and recognition of two entities in society finally coming together. From the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell to the Pentagon announcing that they're planning to allow transgender people to serve openly in the military, they're finally coming together and gaining the respect on both sides. And you still want to treat them differently?? As if being gay or bi or transgender or just queer in general needs to be seperated from being a human american fighting for this country?????

Again, I don't think anybody here has been trying to say that queer people need to be seperated from being "a human american fighting for this country".

and you say you support the military. Unless a gay military soldier makes a reference to being gay and being proud for surviving everything they've gone through. NOPE SORR YOU GOTTA BE STRAIGHT TO ADD TO MILITARY CULTURE

Again, this picture wasn't aboot being proud for surviving everything they've gone through.
There is also nothing to indicate this picture was made by a gay military soldier.
As such, this part of your argument is irrelevant.

[The Divine Potato]

As another small part of my little piece on this forum. I will say that, only Americans care about this. It was their war, it was their soldiers, it was their flag. And in retrospect, the photograph only in the world upset a minority in the grand scale of the world. Homophobes, and hypersensitive Americans, I say let these people be full of dissent and then watch the flood of praise and compliments to the artistic flare.

[Shadow00]

As another small part of my little piece on this forum. I will say that, only Americans care about this. It was their war, it was their soldiers, it was their flag. And in retrospect, the photograph only in the world upset a minority in the grand scale of the world. Homophobes, and hypersensitive Americans, I say let these people be full of dissent and then watch the flood of praise and compliments to the artistic flare.

I think you are confusing your hatred for homophobes with real artistic flare.
This pic doesn't have much art into it, soz

[Shadow00]

Also, can someone explain why the ORIGINAL picture couldn't show the struggle of gay people?
I mean since we are equal do you now still need to add a rainbow and unicorns to highlight something is gay?
Or are some gay people just seeking attention?

[Shadowstar1922]

Also, can someone explain why the ORIGINAL picture couldn't show the struggle of gay people?
I mean since we are equal do you now still need to add a rainbow and unicorns to highlight something is gay?
Or are some gay people just seeking attention?

you can imply this to any group of people struggling for anything.

why did the Americans need to use the American flag when hoisting that flag? They could've used the French, the British, or the Soviet flag, couldn't they? They used it to represent America.


The rainbow flag is used to represent gay people.

[Shadow00]

Also, can someone explain why the ORIGINAL picture couldn't show the struggle of gay people?
I mean since we are equal do you now still need to add a rainbow and unicorns to highlight something is gay?
Or are some gay people just seeking attention?

you can imply this to any group of people struggling for anything.

why did the Americans need to use the American flag when hoisting that flag? They could've used the French, the British, or the Soviet flag, couldn't they? They used it to represent America.


The rainbow flag is used to represent gay people.

Yeah but that's still implying gay people and other people are 2 seperate groups, like America and France are.
Why support that idea after so much struggle was put into equality?
Why try to act different from rest of people now?

[Shadowstar1922]

Also, can someone explain why the ORIGINAL picture couldn't show the struggle of gay people?
I mean since we are equal do you now still need to add a rainbow and unicorns to highlight something is gay?
Or are some gay people just seeking attention?

you can imply this to any group of people struggling for anything.

why did the Americans need to use the American flag when hoisting that flag? They could've used the French, the British, or the Soviet flag, couldn't they? They used it to represent America.


The rainbow flag is used to represent gay people.

Yeah but that's still implying gay people and other people are 2 separate groups, like America and France are.
Why support that idea after so much struggle was put into equality?
Why try to act different from rest of people now?

so just because we can get married now, we need to assimilate back into the culture that has tried to kill all of us until recently???

lol u try telling the americans right after their war of independence that "NOW THAT U GOT UR FREEDOMS NOW, JUST STOP ACTING SO DIFFERENT AND COME BACK TO THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH!!!1!1"

just because we can get married now, doesn't mean anything (though it is MOMENTOUS STEP) we still need representation in the media. and no, i'm not talking about that bs "flamboyant feminine who loves to shop!" or that "closet jock who just doesn't know himself and needs to bully all the 'fags" to make himself feel better" or the "masculine butch who has daddy issues" or the "bichy drama queen who just needs to experiment"

no.

marriage doesn't fix everything.

you think racism ended when they could marry white people in 1963? no

legal protections does not mean societal acceptance. the government and society are two separate bodies in a nation (as much as they intertwine). both take seperate paths to expanded or shrinking or including or excluding.

Just because gay people have legal protections doesn't mean everything is all dandy now.

i mean it's still a world wide problem where gay people are being killed for being gay. only some 30 countries have actual legislation protecting gay people even in slightest. even in those 30 countries that have legal legislation protecting gay people, gay people STILL get exploited, abused, bullied, and murdered for simply being gay.

I mean, I still have to get into fights, both physical and verbal in good ol Massachusetts, the state that gave gay people marriage equality in 2003. 12 years later, I still gotta punch a thot for calling me a fag or saying i'm going to hell or threatening to cut me??? because i'm gay????

[Foopzheart]

Also, can someone explain why the ORIGINAL picture couldn't show the struggle of gay people?
I mean since we are equal do you now still need to add a rainbow and unicorns to highlight something is gay?
Or are some gay people just seeking attention?

you can imply this to any group of people struggling for anything.

why did the Americans need to use the American flag when hoisting that flag? They could've used the French, the British, or the Soviet flag, couldn't they? They used it to represent America.


The rainbow flag is used to represent gay people.

Yeah but that's still implying gay people and other people are 2 separate groups, like America and France are.
Why support that idea after so much struggle was put into equality?
Why try to act different from rest of people now?

lol u try telling the americans right after their war of independence that "NOW THAT U GOT UR FREEDOMS NOW, JUST STOP ACTING SO DIFFERENT AND COME BACK TO THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH!!!1!1"

i just want to focus on this part to say something, we didn't become equal with Britain, we became free of them. Completely different.