If someone can combat all the arguments in the video intelligently and without doubling back on points to use them as a weak shield, or intentionally missing out points of the video as it points out a fatal flaw in your argument, then I will consider the gun debate won, do whatever you want America, you've passed my intelligence test. If arguments are simply re-used and recycled and huge gaps are missed out then my view will be 'pro-gun debaters are just too stupid or too stubborn to realise the negative points of guns and it's not Americans whom you should entrust disarming them to, rather other countries.'
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Gun control thread, again.
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Zia- wrote:um first up im sure you mean the united states of america, not america as a whole, since canada and south america have their own agendas
Really Zia... Really.. You couldn't tell I meant the U.S. Notice how I didn't say North America, South America, or The AmericaS. I said America which stems from The United States of America.
Also Dictionary.com and google seem to agree.
Dictionary.com
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Zia- wrote:and have you seen the size of australia? its fucking massive, and we have gone through the same massacres as you have, only we dont anymore because we put laws into effect
Okay, Australia is big... but most of is uninhabited lol...
Australia is 7.62 million sq km While the US is 9.16 million sq km
Population of Australia is 23.13 Million (2013)
Population of US 318.9 Million (2014)
By population even TEXAS (26.96 million (2014)) alone beats Australia...
Laws like that might work in your country, but they wont work in ours because of 2nd Amendment and the size difference.
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Re: Gun control thread, again.
Excalibur wrote:Zia- wrote:um first up im sure you mean the united states of america, not america as a whole, since canada and south america have their own agendas
Really Zia... Really.. You couldn't tell I meant the U.S. Notice how I didn't say North America, South America, or The AmericaS. I said America which stems from The United States of America.
Also Dictionary.com and google seem to agree.
Dictionary.com
Google.comZia- wrote:and have you seen the size of australia? its fucking massive, and we have gone through the same massacres as you have, only we dont anymore because we put laws into effect
Okay, Australia is big... but most of is uninhabited lol...
Australia is 7.62 million sq km While the US is 9.16 million sq km
Population of Australia is 23.13 Million (2013)
Population of US 318.9 Million (2014)
By population even TEXAS (26.96 million (2014)) alone beats Australia...
Laws like that might work in your country, but they wont work in ours because of 2nd Amendment and the size difference.
the USA is not America. I mean, sure, half of the Western world knows America as the states, but literally everyone else regards America as a continent, or The Americas. Just because a bunch of people believe America = the USA doesn't make it a fact.
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Re: Gun control thread, again.
Stop trying to divert this conversation into word play for a continent.
Ex has some really nice points.
Banning guns apparently didn't stop people finding other ways for UK people to kill each other, at an alarmingly high rate.
Now even if someone does manage to ban guns in US of A, nothing would change.
You guys are so propagated by the media that you actually believe that guns are the problem, not the people using them.
Just because most people want an easy solution by blaming the means instead of facing the harsh truth that kids (or grown ups) in USA are getting worse and worse, and noone is doing a single thing to stop that, is a very very bad situation.
Seems to me like you are all missing the point like that.
Get rid of racism, sociopolitical standards and bullying and THEN start worrying about guns.
BTW sorry ex but giving students guns (even to defend themselves) is something I don't view as a good idea.
Remember the standards thing that we need in order for someone to actually own a gun?
Ex has some really nice points.
Banning guns apparently didn't stop people finding other ways for UK people to kill each other, at an alarmingly high rate.
Now even if someone does manage to ban guns in US of A, nothing would change.
You guys are so propagated by the media that you actually believe that guns are the problem, not the people using them.
Just because most people want an easy solution by blaming the means instead of facing the harsh truth that kids (or grown ups) in USA are getting worse and worse, and noone is doing a single thing to stop that, is a very very bad situation.
Seems to me like you are all missing the point like that.
Get rid of racism, sociopolitical standards and bullying and THEN start worrying about guns.
BTW sorry ex but giving students guns (even to defend themselves) is something I don't view as a good idea.
Remember the standards thing that we need in order for someone to actually own a gun?
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Re: Gun control thread, again.
Shadow00 wrote:BTW sorry ex but giving students guns (even to defend themselves) is something I don't view as a good idea.
Remember the standards thing that we need in order for someone to actually own a gun?
The best point in the entire post
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Re: Gun control thread, again.
Shadow00 wrote:BTW sorry ex but giving students guns (even to defend themselves) is something I don't view as a good idea.
Remember the standards thing that we need in order for someone to actually own a gun?
The Divine Potato wrote:The best point in the entire post
I never said just "give" guns to students... and I know there is a process
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Excalibur wrote:Shadow00 wrote:BTW sorry ex but giving students guns (even to defend themselves) is something I don't view as a good idea.
Remember the standards thing that we need in order for someone to actually own a gun?The Divine Potato wrote:The best point in the entire post
I never said just "give" guns to students... and I know there is a process
Now THAT is a different deal.
I still disagree with emotionally unstable teens (and I consider every single teen emotionally unstable) carrying guns.
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Re: Gun control thread, again.
Shadow00 wrote:Excalibur wrote:Shadow00 wrote:BTW sorry ex but giving students guns (even to defend themselves) is something I don't view as a good idea.
Remember the standards thing that we need in order for someone to actually own a gun?The Divine Potato wrote:The best point in the entire post
I never said just "give" guns to students... and I know there is a process
Now THAT is a different deal.
I still disagree with emotionally unstable teens (and I consider every single teen emotionally unstable) carrying guns.
On that note, never am I ever going to Texas
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Also based off of the http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.SRF.TOTL.K2
Australia has a total surface area of 7,741,220 sq.km
The United States has a surface area of 9,831,510 sq.km
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail ... r-in-miles
As Britain and Australia are islands I'd imagine that it is in fact easier to prevent the smuggling of guns within those countries. If that line of reasoning is flawed, please do tell me why it's wrong to believe that it is easier to prevent smuggling in an island.
The United States has a total of 7,514 miles worth of land border to patrol and monitor to prevent smuggling. It is hard enough to prevent drugs from being smuggled across our borders, guns aren't any different. Meaning that while you can try to ban guns and prevent them from legally entering the country. You're still going to have guns flowing into the US. Meaning guns will still able to be accessed by those with malicious intent. The only difference is that now law abiding citizens will not have the means of defending themselves unless they want to charge with nothing but whatever they can find around them if they can find anything to grab.
Secondly, Shadow00 is right. Taking away guns doesn't solve the real issue. Guns are just a means to achieving a goal. If somebody wants to kill a bunch of people they don't necessarily need a gun. It's just easier to do so with one.
Third, I don't think anyone is arguing that anyone and their grandmother should be allowed to own a gun. So why argue like that's the opposing side's argument?
I believe that we do need better background checks to ensure that people with a history of violence and the mentally ill are either not allowed to have guns or at the very least are restricted in some ways. And that we need some better training or standards in order to allow people to obtain a gun. But I stand firm in the belief that completely banning guns will not solve the issue of mass killings, they'll simply move to knives or some other type of weapon/means of committing murder and they'll continue on. Assuming they don't being obtaining firearms through means of things like black markets.
Australia has a total surface area of 7,741,220 sq.km
The United States has a surface area of 9,831,510 sq.km
The United States has 5,525 miles of border with Canada and 1,989 miles with Mexico. Our maritime border includes 95,000 miles of shoreline.
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail ... r-in-miles
As Britain and Australia are islands I'd imagine that it is in fact easier to prevent the smuggling of guns within those countries. If that line of reasoning is flawed, please do tell me why it's wrong to believe that it is easier to prevent smuggling in an island.
The United States has a total of 7,514 miles worth of land border to patrol and monitor to prevent smuggling. It is hard enough to prevent drugs from being smuggled across our borders, guns aren't any different. Meaning that while you can try to ban guns and prevent them from legally entering the country. You're still going to have guns flowing into the US. Meaning guns will still able to be accessed by those with malicious intent. The only difference is that now law abiding citizens will not have the means of defending themselves unless they want to charge with nothing but whatever they can find around them if they can find anything to grab.
Secondly, Shadow00 is right. Taking away guns doesn't solve the real issue. Guns are just a means to achieving a goal. If somebody wants to kill a bunch of people they don't necessarily need a gun. It's just easier to do so with one.
Third, I don't think anyone is arguing that anyone and their grandmother should be allowed to own a gun. So why argue like that's the opposing side's argument?
I believe that we do need better background checks to ensure that people with a history of violence and the mentally ill are either not allowed to have guns or at the very least are restricted in some ways. And that we need some better training or standards in order to allow people to obtain a gun. But I stand firm in the belief that completely banning guns will not solve the issue of mass killings, they'll simply move to knives or some other type of weapon/means of committing murder and they'll continue on. Assuming they don't being obtaining firearms through means of things like black markets.
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