West Intervention in Syria?

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What is your opinion on the issue in Syria?

USUK should intervine and take out the regime/support rebels based on use of chemical weapons with no clear evidence on which side used it
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13%
USUK should NOT intervene and for WesternPowers to stop getting into things that don't involve them.
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38%
Let local military powers like Egypt, Turkey, and/or Iran work on making this situation better.
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13%
Let the problem be decided on the United Nations, rather than the Arab League/ME powers or USUK and their allies.
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38%
 
Total votes: 8

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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Lamb » 02 Sep 2013, 17:43

._. wow, why the hell give Congress the decision to decide if we take action, we are the people of the united states... at least give us a chance to vote on the decision >.> it would be fairer for the people if we will be paying taxes for us starting another stupid war... even thou this time we do have evidence of WMAs, unlike when we went to war with Iraq, It will be with a similar result.
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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Sylvia » 03 Sep 2013, 09:48

Slightly off the talk of Americas plans - not so publicly broadcast now the UK has pulled out - I am very, very glad that our government has opposed David Cameron's plans to strike with the US.

Like Alice said we've been through this with Blair - running into a situation that is in no way our responsibility with no possible gain apart from the less possible restoration of peace. There are people that need helping, this is true - millions of people. But what about our own countries where it is our actual responsibility to help? We've got a failing health system and are going into a triple dip recession. There comes a point when you have to stop and give what you have to what you need to look after.

When the UN steps in properly and gets a plan set out, then is the time to think. Without UN authorisation there's no backbone and will be viewed as an aggressive, rather than helpful, action.
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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Shadow00 » 03 Sep 2013, 13:22

Lamb wrote:._. wow, why the hell give Congress the decision to decide if we take action, we are the people of the united states... at least give us a chance to vote on the decision >.> it would be fairer for the people if we will be paying taxes for us starting another stupid war... even thou this time we do have evidence of WMAs, unlike when we went to war with Iraq, It will be with a similar result.

Are you totally sure you want the people of USA to vote on that?
You'd be surprised how many would go ahead with the war plan.
Don't forget that they in a manner of speech elected the congress members, so their decisions are your decisions.

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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 03 Sep 2013, 19:02

Shadow00 wrote:
Lamb wrote:._. wow, why the hell give Congress the decision to decide if we take action, we are the people of the united states... at least give us a chance to vote on the decision >.> it would be fairer for the people if we will be paying taxes for us starting another stupid war... even thou this time we do have evidence of WMAs, unlike when we went to war with Iraq, It will be with a similar result.

Are you totally sure you want the people of USA to vote on that?
You'd be surprised how many would go ahead with the war plan.
Don't forget that they in a manner of speech elected the congress members, so their decisions are your decisions.

According to the Huffington Post (who has been the most accurate poll since the Obama election) only about 9% of Americans agree with a Syrian intervention, after all the propaganda in the media of Senators and Representatives saying we must invade Syria.

And, at Lamb, that would take waaay to long for the people to vote on everything. Which is why Congress exists, Representatives and Senators are suppose to represent the people and what they want,but they don't do that because they're already bought by corporations.

You see how long it takes for elections to happen, voting on an issue that needs to be addressed immediately cannot wait months.

Besides, even if America wanted to do an intervention, they are being immensely pressured by countries like Japan, Russia, and surprisingly the United Kingdom who are all saying to let the UN decide, to let both sides come to Geneva to make a compromise.

The world saw what happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and Vietnam and Guatemala and Nicaragua, and Chile and Panama, they don't want those to happen again, they've seen what the US does.
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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Shadow00 » 04 Sep 2013, 12:29

Shadowstar1922 wrote:
Shadow00 wrote:
Lamb wrote:._. wow, why the hell give Congress the decision to decide if we take action, we are the people of the united states... at least give us a chance to vote on the decision >.> it would be fairer for the people if we will be paying taxes for us starting another stupid war... even thou this time we do have evidence of WMAs, unlike when we went to war with Iraq, It will be with a similar result.

Are you totally sure you want the people of USA to vote on that?
You'd be surprised how many would go ahead with the war plan.
Don't forget that they in a manner of speech elected the congress members, so their decisions are your decisions.

According to the Huffington Post (who has been the most accurate poll since the Obama election) only about 9% of Americans agree with a Syrian intervention, after all the propaganda in the media of Senators and Representatives saying we must invade Syria.

And, at Lamb, that would take waaay to long for the people to vote on everything. Which is why Congress exists, Representatives and Senators are suppose to represent the people and what they want,but they don't do that because they're already bought by corporations.

You see how long it takes for elections to happen, voting on an issue that needs to be addressed immediately cannot wait months.

Besides, even if America wanted to do an intervention, they are being immensely pressured by countries like Japan, Russia, and surprisingly the United Kingdom who are all saying to let the UN decide, to let both sides come to Geneva to make a compromise.

The world saw what happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and Vietnam and Guatemala and Nicaragua, and Chile and Panama, they don't want those to happen again, they've seen what the US does.

I also have news for you.
The majority of US citizens voted for Obama to serve for a second term
You especially kept saying how the congress got on his way and he couldn't do what he wanted
Don't change your policy now that he started a war.
What did you expect, he is from a more leftist party so he will sell rainbows and unicorns to the world? No. As a formidable and quite capable president, he presented you with propaganda that would scare you enough for him to be reelected then scared you so that SOME of the US would agree going in a war against Syria so you could slit each other's throat inside the US over that matter and he'd have it easy.
Fear you see is the main reason why you do what you do. You are afraid of terrorists so you agree to pay extra large tax money for defense. You don't want to now, cause there wasn't any huge terrorist attack lately. You want to go give democracy to the middle east cause you're afraid they will nuke you or something.
And ofcourse you are afraid to vote for someone else other than the 2 main parties because most channels support them and they want you to do the same too.
If you didn't expect a war, you should have. Main point is, since you guys voted for him and thought that the only option was either him or Romney, then you pretty much had it coming. I'm not saying you could do otherwise. I live in a country ruled literally by 2 parties for 40 years.
So my point is, Since you voted for him, wait out his term then vote someone else who you think is better and who will also create some other war because that's how stuff goes.

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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 05 Sep 2013, 19:54

Shadow, this is how democracy works. When you're elected into a power/position that requires you to represent the people, you do so on a continuous and updated-fashion. You don't represent the people's thoughts from 2012, you represent what the people want in 2013.

The government in Democracies are suppose to represent their people, that's why they were elected in. So, big shocker here, if 89% of your population doesn't want you to do something, and you have a working democracy in place, you kind of don't do it. :P
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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Shadow00 » 05 Sep 2013, 21:44

Shadowstar1922 wrote:Shadow, this is how democracy works. When you're elected into a power/position that requires you to represent the people, you do so on a continuous and updated-fashion. You don't represent the people's thoughts from 2012, you represent what the people want in 2013.

The government in Democracies are suppose to represent their people, that's why they were elected in. So, big shocker here, if 89% of your population doesn't want you to do something, and you have a working democracy in place, you kind of don't do it. :P

Sucks. Cause you'll now be forced to see things happen which you don't like for at least 2 more years.

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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby ghost 9 » 05 Sep 2013, 23:54

The majority of Americans are lazy and indifferent, which is one of the reasons this nation is slowly dieing. As a result, I doubt they'll take any form of action, despite disapproving of the war.
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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 06 Sep 2013, 18:40

Shadow00 wrote:
Shadowstar1922 wrote:Shadow, this is how democracy works. When you're elected into a power/position that requires you to represent the people, you do so on a continuous and updated-fashion. You don't represent the people's thoughts from 2012, you represent what the people want in 2013.

The government in Democracies are suppose to represent their people, that's why they were elected in. So, big shocker here, if 89% of your population doesn't want you to do something, and you have a working democracy in place, you kind of don't do it. :P

Sucks. Cause you'll now be forced to see things happen which you don't like for at least 2 more years.


That has happened to me my whole life as being in politics. Majority of things Bush did, I did not approve, and almost every single thing Obama has done, I never approved. America has never had any good presidents of the modern day with the exception of a few.
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Re: West Intervention in Syria?

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