J the J wrote:Also, back to the original point of this post. Don't be blaming other cultures for their disgusting treatment of animals, when it happens in your own back yard.
“One time I took my knife – it’s sharp enough – and I sliced off the end of a hog’s nose, just like a piece of bologna. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt in my hand – I was wearing a rubber glove – and I stuck the salt right up the hog’s ass. The poor hog didn’t know whether to shit or go blind.” ~ Slaughterhouse Worker. (Slaughterhouse by Gail A. Eisnitz).
You cannot compare torture to a traditional method to ending an animal's life.
Slamming a bat, or a sledge hammer, or anything hard into a living organism's head in order to kill it, is not comparable to intentionally harming an animal just so you can put it in pain.
Also, thank you for describing a meal that came to 20$-24$ to make.
It's a pretty convincing meal. I'll tell my dad about it when he's buying 2$ frozen hamburgers for dinner.
Please research about slaughterhouses before saying that that is an old post, because it still happens now! You guys need to do a little research because it appears you know very little about what actually happens.
J the J wrote:Also, back to the original point of this post. Don't be blaming other cultures for their disgusting treatment of animals, when it happens in your own back yard.
“One time I took my knife – it’s sharp enough – and I sliced off the end of a hog’s nose, just like a piece of bologna. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt in my hand – I was wearing a rubber glove – and I stuck the salt right up the hog’s ass. The poor hog didn’t know whether to shit or go blind.” ~ Slaughterhouse Worker. (Slaughterhouse by Gail A. Eisnitz).
You cannot compare torture to a traditional method to ending an animal's life.
Slamming a bat, or a sledge hammer, or anything hard into a living organism's head in order to kill it, is not comparable to intentionally harming an animal just so you can put it in pain.
Also, thank you for describing a meal that came to 20$-24$ to make.
It's a pretty convincing meal. I'll tell my dad about it when he's buying 2$ frozen hamburgers for dinner.
Lets work some more numbers here, because numbers are good.
Let's take a family here for instance, I am going to use the size of two adults and two children.
Let's take shadow's figure of 50k a year and then say both the parents work, they are a productive household so the parents both work, and the kids go to school
Now let's take the figure of J's meal which shadow helpfully already calculated which. for the spices I will say the bag will be $2 just to go in the middle. The whole meal calculates up to exactly $21.
Lets say this family of four all eat this meal, three square meals a day, not factoring in portions or snacks or anything, the cost to feed all four for a day is $252 a day.
Now let us multiply this up into a week and we find that the cost to feed this family for a week is $1764 a week
Now let us expand up to a year, factoring out any Christmas dinners, restaurant breaks, they only eat this meal for a whole year. The cost comes to $91728.
I am not knowledgeable on how much a bill is or how much a child would want for their Christmas but just above $8000 is nowhere near enough to support a viable lifestyle
The vegan diet is expensive, unless it is actually a diet where you only eat once a day which is admittedly not the healthiest thing you can choose to do.
-Edit- Infact with these figures, how about we calculate how much money they have to spend on rent and other things in a year then, this is $8272, divide that by each month and you have $689.333333 You get the three picture.
Infact, I do realise a mistake I have made in the discluding of sizes of the bag, thinking they'd have to get a new one every time and I recognise that. But meh.
"Infact, I do realise a mistake I have made in the discluding of sizes of the bag, thinking they'd have to get a new one every time and I recognise that. But meh."
Then your quotes are totally off, if it worked the way you do it, the curry would feed 4 people for an entire week and a half or so... So then, that's only $35 - $40 per fortnight for meals or something like that.
J the J wrote:Also, back to the original point of this post. Don't be blaming other cultures for their disgusting treatment of animals, when it happens in your own back yard.
“One time I took my knife – it’s sharp enough – and I sliced off the end of a hog’s nose, just like a piece of bologna. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt in my hand – I was wearing a rubber glove – and I stuck the salt right up the hog’s ass. The poor hog didn’t know whether to shit or go blind.” ~ Slaughterhouse Worker. (Slaughterhouse by Gail A. Eisnitz).
You cannot compare torture to a traditional method to ending an animal's life.
Slamming a bat, or a sledge hammer, or anything hard into a living organism's head in order to kill it, is not comparable to intentionally harming an animal just so you can put it in pain.
Also, thank you for describing a meal that came to 20$-24$ to make.
It's a pretty convincing meal. I'll tell my dad about it when he's buying 2$ frozen hamburgers for dinner.
Lets work some more numbers here, because numbers are good.
Let's take a family here for instance, I am going to use the size of two adults and two children.
Let's take shadow's figure of 50k a year and then say both the parents work, they are a productive household so the parents both work, and the kids go to school
Now let's take the figure of J's meal which shadow helpfully already calculated which. for the spices I will say the bag will be $2 just to go in the middle. The whole meal calculates up to exactly $21.
Lets say this family of four all eat this meal, three square meals a day, not factoring in portions or snacks or anything, the cost to feed all four for a day is $252 a day.
Now let us multiply this up into a week and we find that the cost to feed this family for a week is $1764 a week
Now let us expand up to a year, factoring out any Christmas dinners, restaurant breaks, they only eat this meal for a whole year. The cost comes to $91728.
I am not knowledgeable on how much a bill is or how much a child would want for their Christmas but just above $8000 is nowhere near enough to support a viable lifestyle
The vegan diet is expensive, unless it is actually a diet where you only eat once a day which is admittedly not the healthiest thing you can choose to do.
-Edit- Infact with these figures, how about we calculate how much money they have to spend on rent and other things in a year then, this is $8272, divide that by each month and you have $689.333333 You get the three picture.
Infact, I do realise a mistake I have made in the discluding of sizes of the bag, thinking they'd have to get a new one every time and I recognise that. But meh.
"Infact, I do realise a mistake I have made in the discluding of sizes of the bag, thinking they'd have to get a new one every time and I recognise that. But meh."
Then your quotes are totally off, if it worked the way you do it, the curry would feed 4 people for an entire week and a half or so... So then, that's only $35 - $40 per fortnight for meals or something like that.
No, it would not feed an entire four people for a week and a half. As the reheating process would only do well once. And no one wants to eat hot curry for two meals, then eat cold curry for a week an a half. The food would indeed go off. But using the ingredients over the course of about that beriod would work, but not perhaps for the spice bag, depending on what in the hell sizes they are.
Also, I am surprised that the American beef industry is still afloat with such a stupid, lazy, and unforesightful violation of regulations. No American seems to know the use of a goddamn knife is unnecessary. And apparently not even here, acorss the border in England it seems, can the braindead 'people' who work in Halal slaughterhouse go a day without kicking sheep, hacking them, or "throwing them into structures" quotes are around that because structures could mean anything nearby as i'm concerned. Cruelty to animals is definitely something I cannot fight for when I am surrounded with so much evidence. I have, considered that the statistics stated in this article
And also. I personally as a person, prefer meat's taste to the taste of anything that comes from the ground, from a tree, or from a bush, if I could afford it, I would go on a diet of specifically meat for periods of time. Meat is something that the species at the top of the food chain is entitled to, if they can acquire it, I would hunt my own produce if deer were not so rare in Scotland, if farmers could shoot at their own discretion, or if going about in the freezing cold of the highlands wouldn't land me with pneumonia, I would make sure the animal had a quicker death, that it died as it lived, on the hills. However, abattoirs and apparently Jewish ones in particular (god help me if someone gets me onto a topic of religious acceptance in industry, in Laymonds terms for my opinion, no.) just kick every emotion across a metaphorical wall. They make a bad example of what the dominant species on earth can do, given power of life and death of millions of living things.
In short. I like meat, but if slaughterhouses didn't ask for people with an IQ of 1 to run and staff them then this topic wouldn't exist.
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Infact what I have learned that is because of religious acceptance laws, halfwit companies are allowed to not stun their animals before killing them just because their religion believes that animals are lower than people. I have some very choice words about that sort of thing but to translate them into appropriate language I'd have to say that I think it is one hundred percent wrong, yes it is against their religion, yes the employees shouldn't have to do something they don't believe in, so get a new set of employees and make your slaughterhouse stun the animals before killing them. I do not believe in completely cutting out meat from our diets, we are omnivores for a good reason, and that is to give us choice in the matter, if your a vegan, your not hurting anyone, if your forcing it down someone's throat, thats wrong, same if you eat alot of meat and you try and try to encourage a vegan to eat meat. It's wrong. So is slicing the throat of a goddamn animal that can still feel it. I will digress and say that there is a mediocre acclaimed statistic here in the UK of %80 of Halal meet being from pre-stunned animals. But that's too low, I think that if you want a job, be prepared to make sacrifices of your faith. And not of the next animal your job has you kill.
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I also think that the punishments for people caught in such an affair is way way too lenient, simply removing their license for letting a pig bleed out like in said video In said article. http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIG ... ter/ALL/// And even the solution of prosecuting them is too soft for these criminally insane. I think they should know how it feels to be hung upside down from a chain, dropped on your head, shocked till you spasm, hit with the back of a machete blade, watch another person have their head cut off and then have their own guts spilled so they can bleed out. The proper method of stunning an animal should be a quick electric shock to the head, hell, kill them with that one, as long as they A: are unable to feel it or B:are dead. The people who violate this code should be sent to a human slaughterhouse where the legitimately criminally insane get to use whatever tools they like on them before packaging their bidy parts and viable organs to donation centers to be checked for anything and then given as transplants or discarded if they are not good.
Oh and say consider being a vegan, even indirectly and I will pretend the post does not exist entirely
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J the J wrote:I dont want to sound rude, but you guys have very little knowledge as to how vegetarian and vegan diets work. I've been a vegan for over 3 years and I have NEVER needed to take any supplements or get any B12 injections ect. We don't eat ONLY organic fruit and veg, we don't only eat fruit and veg, there are so many more foods out there besides fruit and veg for vegans...
I think if you guys did a little research for yourselves into veganism and the diet behind it you would come to realise that most vegan meals cost below $5 to make. As I said, if you want to be the kind of vegan who wants the expensive delicacies then yes you will have to pay more.
For example, last night, we had a curry for dinner, it consisted of lentils (they cost $2.50 for a 1kg bag.), potato ($4 for a 5kg bag), rice ($10 for 10kg), many spices which can be between $1 and $4 per bag depending on how much you buy at once and many other small ingredients which are just basics (garlic, water, ginger etc.). The papadams we had with the curry are $2.50 packet.
You wanna tell me about how expensive it is to be vegan? At my house, we barely earn enough money to even keep our house or pay the bills, and I am thankful we are vegan, because it saves a hell of a lot of money. When we feel like we want some cheese or cream etc. we have to lose out on something else.
It's about being resourceful and smart, not rich and well off.
As Kyle said, there may be price differences per country. Also, I'm not saying vegetarianism is expensive, I'm saying for some it is, to put it lightly, IMPOSSIBLE to live on. I mean those who have no choice but to eat McDonalds every day.
1. I'm sorry but eating Mcdonalds every day is a choice, not an only option. As I said, resourcefulness not greed.
2. OBVIOUSLY you wouldn't cook it all at once, please use a little common sense here.
3. Don't be biased... There are plenty of non-halal slaughter houses which abuse animals before they die and where the bolt to the head does not work. I would prefer it if you didn't target religion based killings to make the rest look okay, because I think that is really quite unfair. The basis of Halal slaughter is to keep it as natural as possible, not with any other intervention, not to make it more cruel for the animal. It isn't against the belief of just the workers, but an entire religion. Yes, you may not agree with their methods, but that does not make you a better person because you bolt an animal in the head before killing it so it is 'less painful', because quite often the bolts fail to work and the animals are still killed whilst conscious, they do not wait and bolt them again.
4. Do you guys really believe that animals feel no emotional pain, that they actually have no want to live???? There are so many videos online of animals trying to escape slaughter, screaming for their lives, so how is that okay???? Because they are worth less???? You need a privilege check. How is it fair for mothers who lose their children, for animals who have tails and beaks and wings removed whilst being totally conscious... Cause that is what happens... How do you think you can drink milk? Because a mother cow is forcefully impregnated, then her baby is taken away from her to either be killed or turned into another dairy cow finally she is hooked up to a pumping machines for days on end to the point where they get mastitis. Do you know what mastitis is? It is an infection in the breast tissue caused by blocked milk ducts, this produces pus and blood which is kept in the milk you drink, just bleached white during processing. Sorry, but during this torture, they are not sedated, and you pay for that every day.
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