Paris Attacks Kill 129, Injure 350+

[Annakall2013]

Didn't the Mumbai attack happens around this time...?

[Shadow00]

Just some factual stuff:

The attacks were conducted by three or four teams of IS attackers wearing explosive suicide vests and carrying Kalishnikov AK47 assault rifles. They indiscriminately hit bars and restaurants, the Bataclan concert hall and the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany in a packed stadium of 80,000 people, including President Francois Hollande. Here, one suicide bomber attempted to enter the stadium but was unable to get in thanks to heightened security due to Hollande's presence inside, prompting him to detonate his vest in the entrance, causing negligible damage. A further two instead detonated theirs inside a bar near the stadium.

The worst hit of the targets was the 1500-seater Bataclan hall, where four gunmen entered, taking around 100 people hostage, talking of Hollande, Syria and Iraq and unloading several magazines each into the crowd. They then began executing hostages, forcing French GIGN/RAID (equivalent of SWAT) police into assaulting the theatre. One gunman was shot dead by police, whilst the other three detonated suicide vests, killing themselves but (fortunately) missing the crowd.

Three fake Syrian and Egyptian passports were found near the bodies of the attackers. These were traced back to having been used by refugees to pass through Greece, meaning several (if not all) of the attackers used this as a guise to enter the country. This is why France has decided to close its borders.

And my opinion:

I've long been an advocate of stemming the flow of refugees. Neither society nor economy can handle the strain, and it adds a whole new threat level. Last night's events pretty much just proved that and I'm glad the UK government is not allowing the refugees in.

Buuut for me it is also an argument for staying out of the EU, another thing I've long been an advocate of, because being part of the EU allows free movement between citizens in EU countries, making it so, so easy for this type of attack to occur.

Closing your borders in response to this is not nearly a racist move. Shut your borders and you shut a large avenue in for terrorists. You make their life a lot harder. To suggest that France orchestrated the attack against itself is also complete lunacy; a significant terrorist attack on the capital city of a country causes major economic and political damage, weakens public support for the government, can spark riots and protests and does pretty much everything you don't want when you're trying to run a country. Also, if you've seen Hollande's address he is visibly shaken and looks as if he is about to cry. But most importantly, France don't need an excuse to close their borders. It's their country and they can do what they want, much like the UK has.

It's also not an argument for pro-gun laws because it has nothing to do with that. Fair enough, organised terrorists are going to get weapons one way or another, but gun restrictions don't necessarily stop terrorists (although it makes their job harder), they stop mentally unstable conspiracy theorists, racists, serial killers and psychopaths from deciding one day "you know what? XXX has just really pissed me off. I have a gun, I'm going to go use it!".

But what people need to accept is that whilst many terrorists may be Muslim, not all Muslims are terrorists. "Blowing up the Middle East" is not an appropriate response because let's be honest, that's genocide.

We need to start treating them as Jihadists and not Muslims.

So you are pretty much telling that people that the EU and USA and other moronic countries have been bombing and forcing into war with one another, CANNOT leave their countries cause suddenly you are afraid of a few of them being terrorists?
So people from Syria should just be bombed yes?
Before you say it, no you can't stop the war ongoing there. The people there have 2 options. Leave for Europe, or get bombed to death.

You want to close off the borders to foreigners? Be my guest. It will remain an inhumane and racist move no matter how many of them may be terrorists.

After all, isn't this why all these gun laws and surveillance laws exist?
To spot such threats and incapacitate them? Then freaking use them.



On other news. I doubt their passports were made of Kevlar (top kek), dunno how they could've been retrieved (three of them aswell) out of the explosions. ACTUALLY, what suicide bomber brings along a freaking passport.
Please.
And don't tell me they found out where they live and got their passports in that time, because they probably didn't have some legit home nor did Paris investigation have the time to do that.
And finally, for now that is:
The people planning this attack did NOT jump over some fence into the EU, nor did they get here on a boat with 20 other people on board.
The people planning this are probably in their private jets right now planning other moves.
Will you stop them by closing down the borders? Be freaking realistic here.
The French government is for me the main problem here, as I consider this their doing.
I don't care how shaken Hollande seems, he is trained to look shaken, like most politicians are.
This wont change with a government change either. You guys better wake up sooner rather than later to find out that you should really listen to Johnny and have no religion, no borders and no freaking governments. The world would be a better place like that. At least for the majority of people

[BluesDotEXE]

About the ISIS thing, there's a rumor that one of them had a Syrian Passport, and meanwhile Obama is trying to help Syrian Refugees. I'm not saying it is a bad thing, but it might turn into something less pleasant, because of that passport. That one passport is going to open a massive door to a conspiracy that Americans themselves are asking to be hurt. Do you have any thoughts on this rumor on whether it is true or not?

[Angel]

terrorism is the simple act of using violence and fear (creating terror) for some political or otherwise agenda - no need for religion to be thrown in the mix.

and as for the cause of these 'terrorists' - I don't even think they know what their cause is. They may think that they are doing themselves a favor, giving themselves points with the big man in the sky. Sadly they are achieving nothing other than creating heartache for the families of the dead and contributing to even more death, ironically, with their own political grouping.

You can't blame God for any of this.
You need to rethink religion my friend (Shad) because God wants us to love each other, not harm each other.
That being said, religion has nothing to do with these terrible attacks. People are to blame, not God.
My religion, for instance, is one of the first that hears about something terrible like this, or a natural disaster, and we are out there trying to help the people. And no, we don't ask for anything in return, and our tithing goes to help those in need, not ourselves. That is all I am going to say on this matter, so please don't try to argue with me because there is nothing to argue.
Now, let us put aside our differences of opinion and remember that the point of this topic was to inform people about the terrible attacks on Paris and that the people of Paris need our love and our support.

[Flobalob]

So they just discovered a getaway car and one man is on the run. That, Shad, is why they needed those passports.

[Excalibur]

This was a tragic event, and we should not be arguing with each other and diluting the situation. I went ahead and cleaned up the topic, let's be civil and respectful of each other and the world.

[Shadow00]

Actually now the fun part starts.
France started bombing Syria just a few hours ago.
Very Humane. Veryyyy US like, as I mentioned in previous post.
Its funny though because now they will retaliate against France again, the middle East will be bathed in blood and the EU will collapse as a structure.

And all that because the EU and USA couldn't figure a better way to deal with Syria and sell weapons other than with ISIS.

I'd love to discuss this matter further.


Edit: of course it makes you wonder if France could so easily bomb an ISIS stronghold with about a day's planning (?) , what has USA and the rest of the countries fighting ISIS been doing all this time?

[Flobalob]

You think it takes more than a day to organise a retaliatory air strike? ISIS consider themselves a STATE, as does everyone else in every way besides name. When another country bombs yours, are you going to leave it more than a day to bomb theirs? French jets have been conducting reconnaissance flights in the Raqqa area for months so the hard part was more or less done.

I'm interested to know what your course of action would be.

[Shadow00]

You think it takes more than a day to organise a retaliatory air strike? ISIS consider themselves a STATE, as does everyone else in every way besides name. When another country bombs yours, are you going to leave it more than a day to bomb theirs? French jets have been conducting reconnaissance flights in the Raqqa area for months so the hard part was more or less done.

I'm interested to know what your course of action would be.

I'd start by not giving weapons to overly-religious fanatics.

[Flobalob]

You think it takes more than a day to organise a retaliatory air strike? ISIS consider themselves a STATE, as does everyone else in every way besides name. When another country bombs yours, are you going to leave it more than a day to bomb theirs? French jets have been conducting reconnaissance flights in the Raqqa area for months so the hard part was more or less done.

I'm interested to know what your course of action would be.

I'd start by not giving weapons to overly-religious fanatics.

Please point me to some proof that that has happened.