Oregon school shooting: Barack Obama pleads for gun control after 13 killed, 20 injured in shooting at Umpqua College

[Rainshard]

Then what is wrong with American culture/society which leads to all these shootings?

[The Divine Potato]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
Despite have a relatively high gun ownership amount, why is it that the Swiss can have such little issues with guns crime?
I think it's definitely possible to allow people to continue having guns without mass shootings being a major issue like they are. Switzerland being the prime example, whoever mentioned it earlier has it on point.

How do you propose to change America's attitude towards the use of guns then? As a genuine question, from the gratuitous number circulating among gangs, to the privately owned guns from perfectly 'responsible' citizens which in a moment of the fickle human mind decides to say 'screw it', or at least I'd guess that's what they'd think.

[Shadowstar1922]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland
Despite have a relatively high gun ownership amount, why is it that the Swiss can have such little issues with guns crime?
I think it's definitely possible to allow people to continue having guns without mass shootings being a major issue like they are. Switzerland being the prime example, whoever mentioned it earlier has it on point.

The guns are locked up by a 3rd party and so is the ammunition. They don't get to carry it around as they please and do whatever they want with it.

The Swiss' gun law system is designed that if Switzerland was being invaded there would be cooperation between the state and the people to preserve the country. I mean, Switzerland has implanted so many bombs within it's land that they could blow their entire country up with a few push of the buttons.

ontop of that, the Swiss culture around guns is the exact opposite of the American gun culture. You should do more research into the countries you use examples of. The number of people who are armed doesn't state everything.

[TheKingsHills]

I believe that the example still holds despite the different cultures.
I mean if the culture was a large part of why their current gun control policies work then wouldn't that imply that there's a large potential that what works in the UK doesn't work in the US? Unless you mean to imply that both countries have the same or at least similar cultures revolving around guns.

My argument is that it is possible to allow people to own guns without gun crime being much of an issue. That there are alternatives that could work other than just completely disarming the people.

I would like to apologize if my thoughts aren't articulated very well, but to go over what I just said again,
Switzerland is merely an example that you don't need to disarm an entire country to reduce gun crime to lows. It's more of a proof of concept proving that it is possible.
Meaning that we have an alternative to said disarming of an entire countries population to reduce gun crime and such.

[Shadow00]

Then what is wrong with American culture/society which leads to all these shootings?

Betas being oppressed and pretty much alphas being dumb helps this situation, getting normies killed.

I do believe the best way to resolve this situation is to change society in its core, over how people view each other in regard to what they do.

If some 25 year old virgin dude is laughed at for a long time, that guy will one day kill people.
And it won't be the gun control's fault.
I personally wouldn't even blame him, just the morons that make fun of him.
Revenge by killing might be a bit extreme I agree, but its action and reaction, newtons third law and all

[The Divine Potato]

Then what is wrong with American culture/society which leads to all these shootings?

Betas being oppressed and pretty much alphas being dumb helps this situation, getting normies killed.

I do believe the best way to resolve this situation is to change society in its core, over how people view each other in regard to what they do.

If some 25 year old virgin dude is laughed at for a long time, that guy will one day kill people.
And it won't be the gun control's fault.
I personally wouldn't even blame him, just the morons that make fun of him.
Revenge by killing might be a bit extreme I agree, but its action and reaction, newtons third law and all

To put it really bluntly. Changing society is reletively as difficult as changing the gunlaws, as putting a man in space is compared to jumping. You're afraid of totalitarian dictatorship governments? Telling people what to think is synonymous with what some people bearing your argument claim guns will help combat. It's evident that people can't be trusted with guns UNTIL their attitude towards them is changed.

[TheKingsHills]

Then what is wrong with American culture/society which leads to all these shootings?

Betas being oppressed and pretty much alphas being dumb helps this situation, getting normies killed.

I do believe the best way to resolve this situation is to change society in its core, over how people view each other in regard to what they do.

If some 25 year old virgin dude is laughed at for a long time, that guy will one day kill people.
And it won't be the gun control's fault.
I personally wouldn't even blame him, just the morons that make fun of him.
Revenge by killing might be a bit extreme I agree, but its action and reaction, newtons third law and all

To put it really bluntly. Changing society is reletively as difficult as changing the gunlaws, as putting a man in space is compared to jumping. You're afraid of totalitarian dictatorship governments? Telling people what to think is synonymous with what some people bearing your argument claim guns will help combat. It's evident that people can't be trusted with guns UNTIL their attitude towards them is changed.

Except people can be trusted with guns because the majority of people don't go out and commit mass shootings.
If changing society is relatively as difficult as changing gunlaws then why should we take the option that takes away some peoples' means of self defense when we can take another option equally as difficult and still get the same or similar results.
I have yet to see a a mass shooting be done by a mentally healthy man with no history of violence. All of the mass shootings that have taken place within the US to my understanding has been at the hands of people with either known mental illnesses, or a history of violence.

I can't really understand what you're going on about with totalitarian government stuff. I have an idea of where you may be taking that point but I'm unsure. Rephrase or explain?

[Wow_Give_Up_On_Life]

I'll tell you whats wrong with modern day society, I don't believe it's the men.

[Shadow00]

Idk fam, it seems that the guy was severely bullied.
I believe I'll justify his act after all.

After all, it IS the best anti-bullying ad a person can hope for.

[Rainshard]

Idk fam, it seems that the guy was severely bullied.
I believe I'll justify his act after all.

After all, it IS the best anti-bullying ad a person can hope for.

But it doesn't stop bullies does it. Most are in the mindset that the kids they bully are too weak to do anything.