Paris Attacks Kill 129, Injure 350+

[Shadow00]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

lmao i was thinking the exact same thing too. its amazing how Europe is so quick to blame this on foreign terrorists when they were all born in Europe.

Thing is, you're not in Europe and Shad00 is not in one of the countries that have responsded most to these attacks. So what are you basing this on? The media? You yourself talk about how biased and untrustworthy the media is. When us as Europeans whose countries are both heavily involved in the situation are giving you the views of what the streams of opinion in our countries are, you disregard it. Doesn't make sense.

Also, rare occasion I agree with Dice but honestly? If you guys, and even I'm guilty of this, continue shouting opinions over one another without actually having a proper respectful debate then everyone will lose the privilege. Topics and comments have already been altered and deleted because of this behaviour.

Actually yes, the media making France seem like European 9/11 is trying to force EU citizens into hating immigrants from the middle East imo, they've been doing that for a while now, and seeing how uninformed most people are, I consider that they've already managed that.

Actually you JUST bothered about terrorism.
If France wasn't attacked at all, for all you cared the middle East could continue getting slaughtered by US forces or ISIS and noone would care at all. And now France and probably Russia is joining in as well. How beautiful.
Also. Unless you were actively involved in the attacks, then your only view is one that is heavily influenced by your country's media and the foreign politics department, making Shad that actually has a far less biased opinion have a much more trustworthy opinion on the subject.

Remember that when Greece meltdown started, I never even bothered to look at the news for it knowing that it was 100% propaganda. Both foreign news and (especially) local news.
I formed my own opinions on the matter and most of them have been confirmed over the years.
I don't say I'm some top analyst, but imo anyone with a brain can get closer to the truth on their own if they don't listen to the media.

No opinions are being shouted over one another, we are perfectly debating this in a sense that you pose some ideas, I point all the flaws in them and pose some much more realistic ideas, and then the topic gets deleted.
Debating isn't about listening to your opinion and then just sitting idly by, it is about shooting your opinion down with facts and other opinions. It usually works like that.

[Shadow00]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

lmao i was thinking the exact same thing too. its amazing how Europe is so quick to blame this on foreign terrorists when they were all born in Europe.

It's amazing how obvious it is that (especially) France was waiting (maybe even planning) for this to happen. It makes Hollande's plans EXTREMELY easier to become reality. But then again he seemed sad in the media so I suppose he spends all his time crying atm :'(

[Flobalob]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

It's back up to 2 now, according to the BBC citing prosecutors speaking after the Saint-Denis raid.

As for me not being able to prove any of it, just google it.

[Shadow00]

Certainly, see you around.

As to your points though, I have a pretty good idea what the French public is like since they aren't protesting against Hollande atm.

Indeed that view, which also pretty much expanded to EU's idea of "force anyone that can accept immigrants out of the EU". Sounds bloody great for a view tbh. I'm thrilled for potentially leaving the EU, hopefully it can happen ASAP.

Ofcourse you wouldn't say you don't care about the middle East the same way you wouldn't say you don't care about the random possibly creepy looking homeless guy that died 2 streets down. But hey, you know, you probably don't care, if you're not actually relieved for it. People die every day to terrorism. They get blown to bits, shot to death, tortured to death. People get executed by ISIS in manners so disgusting that make any movie or book about dying seem like my little pony. And yet the vast majority of people didn't even care. Now suddenly you have one little tiiiiny terrorist attack and just because it's in the center of Europe, suddenly #PrayforParis.

If you as a person say that you spent the same time agonizing over people in each middle eastern country as long as you spent worrying about the people in Paris, then I indeed rest my case and have wronged you. But seeing how you don't even feel much sympathetic over the refugees, I'd just say you, much like the rest of the masses, are just hoping they take care of ISIS no matter what

[Shadow00]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

It's back up to 2 now, according to the BBC citing prosecutors speaking after the Saint-Denis raid.

As for me not being able to prove any of it, just google it.

There.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq

[Flobalob]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

It's back up to 2 now, according to the BBC citing prosecutors speaking after the Saint-Denis raid.

As for me not being able to prove any of it, just google it.

There.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq

If you're calling that proof then I'm starting to see why you're a conspiracy theorist.

[Shadowstar1922]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

It's back up to 2 now, according to the BBC citing prosecutors speaking after the Saint-Denis raid.

As for me not being able to prove any of it, just google it.

There.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq

If you're calling that proof then I'm starting to see why you're a conspiracy theorist.

i don't think it's a conspiracy theorist to say that ISIS wants people to stay in Syria and Iraq and not leave (which they have publically stated) and that they're using this event to benefit from using fear tactics and the xenophobic nature of half of the West's population to stop Syrian refugees from leaving. In order to have a country you need people and if those people are leaving then that's really really bad for your country lol.

it's connecting the dots Flob.

And think about it. Just think about it. How the hell do you make a domestic terrorist attack a concern about your foreign policy? How does that make sense?

"oh our citizens shot up our city, better kick close down the borders and bomb a foreign country!!"

like what??

that makes no sense.

[Flobalob]

A nice retaliation, ALTHOUGH.
Quote:
"Officials denied, though, that a second attacker had taken a similar route, telling the Guardian there was “no indication whatsoever” that the assailant had entered Europe through Greece."

So that's 1 in 7 so far.

Flowchart looks much better but still, I don't see why on earth if your main problem with MY view on things is that I can't prove my points, why I should listen to your points since you can't actually prove any of them either.

It's back up to 2 now, according to the BBC citing prosecutors speaking after the Saint-Denis raid.

As for me not being able to prove any of it, just google it.

There.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452072/-You-xenophobic-bed-wetting-bigots-The-Paris-terrorists-were-from-Europe-not-Syria-or-Iraq

If you're calling that proof then I'm starting to see why you're a conspiracy theorist.

i don't think it's a conspiracy theorist to say that ISIS wants people to stay in Syria and Iraq and not leave (which they have publically stated) and that they're using this event to benefit from using fear tactics and the xenophobic nature of half of the West's population to stop Syrian refugees from leaving. In order to have a country you need people and if those people are leaving then that's really really bad for your country lol.

it's connecting the dots Flob.

And think about it. Just think about it. How the hell do you make a domestic terrorist attack a concern about your foreign policy? How does that make sense?

"oh our citizens shot up our city, better kick close down the borders and bomb a foreign country!!"

like what??

that makes no sense.

I was referring to the fact that an article that is, as usual, simply speculative and cites no evidence is being treated as "proof" of something, which probably explains how Shad has come to believe 4chan conspiracy theories.

You make it a concern about your foreign policy when two people came from a foreign country unimpeded and attacked your country, whilst 5 or 6 more travelled to the same foreign country a while back and received training and supplies in order to attack your country.

[The Divine Potato]

i don't think it's a conspiracy theorist to say that ISIS wants people to stay in Syria and Iraq and not leave (which they have publically stated) and that they're using this event to benefit from using fear tactics and the xenophobic nature of half of the West's population to stop Syrian refugees from leaving.

You know what they also stated publicly? That they were responsible for a certain happening

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22356

It's a pure tactical decision to force people out, my knowledge of warfare doesn't come from experience or study but even I can see that ISIS, who's motives largely remain a mystery to me, but from evidence it's 'kill everyone who doesn't submit' this is immensely beneficial for them, it makes getting into countries many times easier to conduct terror attacks, the crisis is INSANELY beneficial for them. ISIS doesn't want to run a country (at least not now) and they have too decentralized a leadership to even consider doing so. Even you have said before that the media is untrustworthy Evren, who are you meant to trust I ask? Murderers, or reporters. (Oh and Chris, you're neither a murderer nor a reporter (to my knowledge) so you are not included in it Dw)

[dankness75]

The ISIS are not behaving like muslims nor are they muslims. They are going against their teachings. No where on earth does it say what they're doing is correct. NOT even in the holy book, The Qur'an. I reckon this ISIS sounds like a conspiracy and is planned to be honest. Of course, you get those extremists Muslims but they go against the teachings of Islam... It's actually scary.

I personally don't know why Cameron is getting involved. He can't do nothing and as much as I love France, I am wondering why Syria is not getting as much attention or bloody 5 minute silences or whatever to remember the deaths hey have encountered. France has humans and so does Syria, why are they being treated so differently. Religion has nothing to do with this, its people misunderstanding and misinterpreting what's written.

As Angel has said, don't blame Religion, blame people.