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Postby paladin » 15 Jul 2014, 20:09
Lets take a real quick step backwards right here: Regarding the Objectification of women: If women claim to be superior to men due to their ability to think using their brains and not using their genetalia, then why do women self-objectify themselves to further cause men to utilize their genetalia for all thoughts and actions? Example:  The common themes in every single one of these dresses is what? 1. Low cropped to expose at least some cleavage 2. Tightly tailored to accentuate the women's curves What does this mean? Every single interaction in the human life is based in way on sex. Examples: Attractive people are attractive due to things that nature deems are necessary for a viable mate to have. Males: Broad shoulders, athletic build, slight waist, solid musculature, a chiseled face, etc. Females: Wide hips, small waist, smaller shoulders, a shorter and stockier build to better hold/care for babies, etc. The reason women are sexually objectified is due to 2 main things: 1. Lack of sexual education - Kids grow up like "OMG BOOBIES AND WEENIE ARE SPEECHULLL" 2. Self Objectification brought upon by Pop. Culture - "OMG WRECKING BALL IS AN INSPIRATION *swings nude from a tire swing*"
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Postby Sugilite-Rocks » 15 Jul 2014, 23:33
Tycoon Witch wrote:Percyception wrote:Tycoon Witch wrote:male protagsnists are default
But they are also default antagonists.
my point there was that the protagonist, the person in popular stories that people are meant to identify with, are male. there are generally more female antagonists that there are female protagonists, though
still thou male antagonists are ALOT. Example: The lich (adventure time), Loki, that man from hulk, those three men in Iron man 1, 2, 3, Victor and El Mucho in Despicable me 1 and 2, that man from how to train your dragon 2, that prince from hellboy 2, Hans from Frozen, hella lotta guys from lord of the rings, voldermort from harry potter, and many many MANY others.
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Postby paladin » 16 Jul 2014, 02:11
Marvel wrote:Tycoon Witch wrote:Percyception wrote:Tycoon Witch wrote:male protagsnists are default
But they are also default antagonists.
my point there was that the protagonist, the person in popular stories that people are meant to identify with, are male. there are generally more female antagonists that there are female protagonists, though
still thou male antagonists are ALOT. Example: The lich (adventure time), Loki, that man from hulk, those three men in Iron man 1, 2, 3, Victor and El Mucho in Despicable me 1 and 2, that man from how to train your dragon 2, that prince from hellboy 2, Hans from Frozen, hella lotta guys from lord of the rings, voldemort from harry potter, and many many MANY others.
Many many others includes: Hades from Percy Jackson, Syndrome from Incredibles 1, All but 1 James Bond enemy, That one guy from Frozen, Charming in Shrek 1, Charming and Fiona's dad in Shrek 2, All of the Fast and Furious antagonists, the Deputy from the Fugative, Every single Indiana Jones movie (last had 2 antagonists). The list goes on.
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Postby Shadow00 » 16 Jul 2014, 03:27
So we can say the majority here agrees that women ARE in fact, equal to men. I'm also certain that being biased means NOT AGREEING TO ANYTHING other than what you believe. And as I've presented you both with enough evidence to even make aliens appear realistic, points saying that all the "differences" in rights or salary or whatnot are because of the options women make, yet you decide to move past those and highlight other points which I again make legit comments against so you can deny with random personally biased claims. Please either use facts or just say you are being sexist. I get misandry, I really do. I just disapprove of it. Also, since the majority of women decides that they want to be objects (and if you don't believe me go look at what some make up companies make from women, as well as go take a walk around Facebook) then you'd better make a campaign about raising the basic women's level and then you may actually realize the rights are ok, its these women objectifying themselves that aren't. I understand that you feel ridiculed by losing a fundamental argument, but in arguments you either agree you're mistaken or simply continue arguing thinking you are still fighting, after all. IMO, feminist movement after 2000s is the second category. I believe the majority of the world would agree. Also, antagonists are way better than the morally obligated protagonists plus they are just so much fun. Eg Joker (or Satan  ) For some reason though indeed female antagonists get on my nerves a lot. 
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Postby Tycoon » 16 Jul 2014, 16:25
paladin wrote:Lets take a real quick step backwards right here: Regarding the Objectification of women: If women claim to be superior to men due to their ability to think using their brains and not using their genetalia, then why do women self-objectify themselves to further cause men to utilize their genetalia for all thoughts and actions? Example:  The common themes in every single one of these dresses is what? 1. Low cropped to expose at least some cleavage 2. Tightly tailored to accentuate the women's curves What does this mean? Every single interaction in the human life is based in way on sex. Examples: Attractive people are attractive due to things that nature deems are necessary for a viable mate to have. Males: Broad shoulders, athletic build, slight waist, solid musculature, a chiseled face, etc. Females: Wide hips, small waist, smaller shoulders, a shorter and stockier build to better hold/care for babies, etc. The reason women are sexually objectified is due to 2 main things: 1. Lack of sexual education - Kids grow up like "OMG BOOBIES AND WEENIE ARE SPEECHULLL" 2. Self Objectification brought upon by Pop. Culture - "OMG WRECKING BALL IS AN INSPIRATION *swings nude from a tire swing*"
at the same time, breasts aren't genitals, they aren't there for any sexual reason
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Postby Shadow00 » 16 Jul 2014, 19:45
Tycoon Witch wrote:paladin wrote:Lets take a real quick step backwards right here: Regarding the Objectification of women: If women claim to be superior to men due to their ability to think using their brains and not using their genetalia, then why do women self-objectify themselves to further cause men to utilize their genetalia for all thoughts and actions? Example:  The common themes in every single one of these dresses is what? 1. Low cropped to expose at least some cleavage 2. Tightly tailored to accentuate the women's curves What does this mean? Every single interaction in the human life is based in way on sex. Examples: Attractive people are attractive due to things that nature deems are necessary for a viable mate to have. Males: Broad shoulders, athletic build, slight waist, solid musculature, a chiseled face, etc. Females: Wide hips, small waist, smaller shoulders, a shorter and stockier build to better hold/care for babies, etc. The reason women are sexually objectified is due to 2 main things: 1. Lack of sexual education - Kids grow up like "OMG BOOBIES AND WEENIE ARE SPEECHULLL" 2. Self Objectification brought upon by Pop. Culture - "OMG WRECKING BALL IS AN INSPIRATION *swings nude from a tire swing*"
at the same time, breasts aren't genitals, they aren't there for any sexual reason
So aren't dudes' abs but last time I checked they were around the top 3 things a chick looks for. Stop male objectification! Fight for male equality.
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Postby The Divine Potato » 18 Jul 2014, 19:13
http://littlemissmisandry.tumblr.com one last thing, this woman seems to be the extreme side of women, and probably what I'd say most women think in their heads. Seriously, now let me have a thought here, this woman feels herself as a, I don't even know. There is something wrong with this, very much so, and if women rally behind her to see her as a role model. There is something very wrong with yourself. Though admittedly the people there don't quite bring as much evidence to support their arguments.
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Postby Tycoon » 18 Jul 2014, 19:37
The Divine Potato wrote:http://littlemissmisandry.tumblr.com one last thing, this woman seems to be the extreme side of women, and probably what I'd say most women think in their heads. Seriously, now let me have a thought here, this woman feels herself as a, I don't even know. There is something wrong with this, very much so, and if women rally behind her to see her as a role model. There is something very wrong with yourself. Though admittedly the people there don't quite bring as much evidence to support their arguments.
this person is not a female to make that clear i notice the misandry, although the clue is in the URL for that one.. i think this person might simply be anti-misogyny and is using misandry to back up the points
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Postby The Divine Potato » 18 Jul 2014, 19:46
Tycoon Witch wrote:The Divine Potato wrote:http://littlemissmisandry.tumblr.com one last thing, this woman seems to be the extreme side of women, and probably what I'd say most women think in their heads. Seriously, now let me have a thought here, this woman feels herself as a, I don't even know. There is something wrong with this, very much so, and if women rally behind her to see her as a role model. There is something very wrong with yourself. Though admittedly the people there don't quite bring as much evidence to support their arguments.
this person is not a female to make that clear i notice the misandry, although the clue is in the URL for that one.. i think this person might simply be anti-misogyny and is using misandry to back up the points
I really do not have much belief this person is not a woman, or at least is not genderless. Plus THEY MUST ALL BE KILLED. Admittedly seems a little more deep-rooted than anti-misogyny.
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Postby Tycoon » 18 Jul 2014, 19:49
The Divine Potato wrote:Tycoon Witch wrote:The Divine Potato wrote:http://littlemissmisandry.tumblr.com one last thing, this woman seems to be the extreme side of women, and probably what I'd say most women think in their heads. Seriously, now let me have a thought here, this woman feels herself as a, I don't even know. There is something wrong with this, very much so, and if women rally behind her to see her as a role model. There is something very wrong with yourself. Though admittedly the people there don't quite bring as much evidence to support their arguments.
this person is not a female to make that clear i notice the misandry, although the clue is in the URL for that one.. i think this person might simply be anti-misogyny and is using misandry to back up the points
I really do not have much belief this person is not a woman, or at least is not genderless. Plus THEY MUST ALL BE KILLED. Admittedly seems a little more deep-rooted than anti-misogyny.
true, but at the same time it could just be a different type of sexism. This person is genderqueer, they aren't female or male. I read through the whole blog, and it does appear that the person enjoys pointing out offensiveness for example racism, sexism, ableism and xenophobia.
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