Gay Marriage

[Hitokiri]

dude, use your brain before you speak.
Obviously the gheen did not intend to say that, you're just ridiculing his point of view to get your way.
point of interest maybe: incest is forbidden by law mostly as there is a high risk for certain genetic illnesses and down syndrome, therefor putting your own child's life at risk. As gays can't really reproduce between them, I don't see your point to bring that up.

If you're an atheist, you probably believe in science a bit more and let us therefor go to biology. Being gay is common for all sorts of animals.
Of course researching this topic is quite new, as it was not done in the past; but still I would be careful with saying that it's totally wrong to be gay, as the initial results are not supporting your statement.

[Phantom]

dude, use your brain before you speak.
Obviously the gheen did not intend to say that, you're just ridiculing his point of view to get your way.

i never said those were his intentions, i simply asked him a question because he said two people who love each other has the right to be together, be it two men or two women, so i asked does justified incestism

point of interest maybe: incest is forbidden by law mostly as there is a high risk for certain genetic illnesses and down syndrome, therefor putting your own child's life at risk. As gays can't really reproduce between them, I don't see your point to bring that up.

before i say what im about to say i just want to make this clear, i am against incest 100%, because i think thats just wrong and plain nasty, as are gays.

intresting of you to bring up this point, but i thought people now days dont just get together to reproduce anymore, they do just because they found it fun. so by saying there is a certain genetic illness and down syndrome and putting a child's life at risk, i dont see your point, what if an incest dont want kids, what if they are being incest just cause they like it

Being gay is common for all sorts of animals.

so is being an incest

and btw im not an atheist

[InSiGhTfUl]

I really can't help but come back.

Something isn't wrong just because it contradicts with what you do, or what you may consider to be normal. You can't just throw the lable 'nasty' on something, because it isn't the same as what you may do. That just isn't how the world works.

I don't want to waste all my time on this thread, so I'll leave it at that for now.

[Sphinx]

dude, use your brain before you speak.
Obviously the gheen did not intend to say that, you're just ridiculing his point of view to get your way.
point of interest maybe: incest is forbidden by law mostly as there is a high risk for certain genetic illnesses and down syndrome, therefor putting your own child's life at risk. As gays can't really reproduce between them, I don't see your point to bring that up.

If you're an atheist, you probably believe in science a bit more and let us therefor go to biology. Being gay is common for all sorts of animals.
Of course researching this topic is quite new, as it was not done in the past; but still I would be careful with saying that it's totally wrong to be gay, as the initial results are not supporting your statement.

that liddle mutt down the street is gay,he humps my friends male dog,not the female XP

[prophet]

i actually agree with phantom

[Lightning Orb]

I just dont understand why the gays cant be left alone.
If they choose to be gay, that shouldnt have anything to do with you,
ya know, unless they are after you, lulz,
but still, if your best friend decides to turn gay, you should be there to support them, and not try to talk them out of something they clearly have thought of on their own!

[Munter]

Does it at all come as a surprise to anyone here that the one's against homosexuality are not atheist?

I honestly don't know what could be inherently wrong about homosexuality.

Is no one thinking about the golden rule or the harm principle?

Very loosely, the harm principle (which is one much morality is based on) is one that deems actions not permissible (wrong) if and only if it causes harm to others.

There are problems with this rule in certain circumstances, but in general it is a rule societies employ to construct a moral framework.

Now, what I would like to know, all you naysayers, is where does homosexuality cause harm to anyone? If you have two (or more) consenting men or women in a relationship with each other, who in society at large could possibly be coming to harm?

And yes, maybe by this principle alone we would also have to bite the bullet and accept incest, too. Although that is not something I'd want to do. I am sure however that you will not be able to find a non-theistic response to my question posed.



And if we are going to quote the bible, we should also remember what else the bible says.

I got this from christianteens.com

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

While the scripture may sound clear, the debate actually surrounds the use of the Greek word that this particular version of the Bible translates as "homosexual offenders." The term is "arsenokoite." Some say that it is a reference to male prostitutes rather than to two committed homosexuals. Yet, others argue that Paul, who wrote the passage, would not have repeated "male prostitutes" twice. Even others argue that the two root words in arsenokoite are the same terms used to prohibit any premarital or extramarital sexual relations, so they may not refer to homosexual relations alone.

However, even if a person believes that homosexuality is a sin based upon this scripture, the next verse does say that homosexuals can inherit the kingdom if they come to the Lord, Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:11 - "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."



Basically, there are some passages that look like the Lord is against it. But because this book has been translated many time over thousands of years from various languages it's far too hard to give a definite answer to whether they are actually against homosexuals per se.


Yes, the Bible is the word of God (If you are Christian), but it was written down by man, then translated by another man into another language, then translated again, and probably revised a few times.

[Lightning Orb]

Sweet Jesus,
Soon you will all be against bisexuals too!
Then we are going to have some serious problems.

[Munter]

I think if you're against homosexuals, you'll probably be against bisexuals, too.

I'm just against small minded-ness.

[Lightning Orb]

I think if you're against homosexuals, you'll probably be against bisexuals, too.

I'm just against small minded-ness.

Which is absolutely ridiculous. So you guys are telling me, if your best friend came up to you, and told that he/she was bisexual, you would turn against them and never talk to them? thats what your making it sound like. Think about it