gheener wrote:well I'm serious that i enjoy the occasional abuse
but the idea of abusing someone who does not like it for your on twisted enjoyment is something that should not happen. i think that abusing children no matter what the reason is not a good way to teach them a lesson, though the elder people would disagree. abusing criminals seems right in your own mind when they hurt you or your family/friends but ethically it isn't acceptable.
Listen to the song "Face Down" By The Red Aparrtus Jumpsuits... that's a very graphic song. o_O