God... Science?

[ObsidianTheGod]

BEFORE I START.
This is NOT an insult to religious beliefs, I applaud you for having hope, and believing in something. this is more or less a theory, that could actually be PROVEN. Again, I do NOT mean to offend. If you have any questions... PM Or post. I have a belief, and I think it should be shown, anything is possible. Happy reading.



Before I begin...

What is God?
To most, he is a person, or an extremely strong presence that can do/create anything, or heal, and... You get the gist.
Let me ask you... What if God is not that person? I believe in God. But no, not in the sense that he is a "Great Lord that we need to pray to". I respect everybody's beliefs nevertheless, so please don't feel offended, this is just my opinion, or possible fact.

A few weeks ago, I was talking with a friend, about the big bang.
We came to the conclusion, that this universe, (Space/time) is just a repeat. Our universe is expanding. What happens when it expands so much it needs to retract (Out of poor gravity started by the big bang)? !!
It comes back on it's self.
Now, Steven Hawkin has PROVED that a black hole-type thing was BEFORE the big bang. (But he is struggling as to what created those particles in the beginning, unfortunately).
Since our universe will (In trillions and trillions and trillions of years) retract, until it's all into one GREAT GREAT big clash, making every particle SO SMALL, the energy becoming so outstanding you CANNOT begin to even imagine the pressure and force. How can you stop a universe coming back on itself? You can't. Making the universe into very tiny particles known as the big bang. And what happens to that mass amount of energy in such a small place? BOOM. The big bang... Again... So, this is the second time the big bang has happened. Right? So if it's happened again, what's to say it's not happened before?
So we're on a loop. Going back and forth, over and over. Our universe could have had millions of life cycles. But enough about that.

Time.
Something we cannot change, scientifically proven. (Unless you go through a black hole?! But you'd die obviously. So not possible).
We cannot go back, go forward, nothing. We stay here, in the now. Making time the most untouchable, and powerful thing to exist.
So, since this is the case, and all. That means particles must/may have been exactly where they are now... Meaning I've typed this before, I've lived this life before. Everything has already happened.

(A little off topic here)
Time travelling is impossible. Even if it was possible, they would end up in a NEW dimension. For example:
If I was to count to ten. And if you was to let me do that. I have already done it. It has been done, it's written in history. But you go back in time, and stop me... You can't, it's already been done, you've left the original dimension to another one you've created, to stop me from reaching 10.
But, what if someone was to find out a way to actually travel back in time, (Without leaving our dimension)? And had the same mindset as I do here? And was able to stop the universe from expanding? That means a lot of changes.
The direction of the universe, changes the direction of every dimension we know of. That's a lot of change, but most importantly, it means we cannot have another loop. It's stopped, that's it. NO more.

(Back on topic).
So, we're partially on the same question, what made the first loop? It can't just happen, what made that incredible energy? God. God created, and IS the pattern of the particles, and 'this', happened. Us, planets, everything. Big bang. Etc.

I think the Bible, (Again before I continue, I still strongly respect beliefs) milks the God thing. And writes stories, there isn't any commandments, it's to keep us on the right path. Every Bible, or religion starts with a God. And ends with some sort of end-of-the-world theory.
What if it we take away the word world, and replaced it with universe...?
They say God gave us freewill. So why follow commandments if we have it? He could have just gave us all our emotions and feelings, and ambitions, except anger, curiosity... So forth.
They also say God exists all around us, if this what I'm saying is real... How true is that?
We have individual mindsets, different faces, personalities, the main thing here though is, our own "Mind". We can't artificially create what we are technically. Unless we programmed a robot. But never as good as human beings are. With our qualities.
So, we each have a different mind. Giving us what? A soul. And a soul belongs strictly to the spiritual dimension.
They say we die and our soul goes to heaven.
What if we die, and our soul goes to this 'dimension', until the next loop?!
So you see how

So you see... Science and religion are in this. And this is actually possible, and can be proved. Especially as we definitely know our universe will retract, and no one knows for sure what was before the 'big bang'. It's simple, the previous universe. So, Religion just started science, science is just helping us knowledge things.
(This can also explain why we get Deja vu.)

Think about it.

Thanks for reading. God you must hate reading by now.

[katterz]

i can understand what you are saying but i dont see how there could of been a previous universe before us , because if there was then surly someone before would of said about all of this but i dont know , if someone already have .

i believe in god created the world because it what i have been brought up to believe this, and if you read in books it says that god created the world in seven days, which i can believe because how else would the 7 days ,of been created and the bible said's what he did each day,and that sunday was the day of rest.

but the reason i don't believe the big bang is because it hasn't, been proved but neither has god and i don't understand that the big bang could of created all of the world, and like what would of created the big bang as well.

katterz opinion

[ObsidianTheGod]

i can understand what you are saying but i dont see how there could of been a previous universe before us , because if there was then surly someone before would of said about all of this but i dont know , if someone already have .

i believe in god created the world because it what i have been brought up to believe this, and if you read in books it says that god created the world in seven days, which i can believe because how else would the 7 days ,of been created and the bible said's what he did each day,and that sunday was the day of rest.

but the reason i don't believe the big bang is because it hasn't, been proved but neither has god and i don't understand that the big bang could of created all of the world, and like what would of created the big bang as well.

katterz opinion

First paragraph:
People can't know there was, can they? No one would survive all that energy lol. And it's proven our universe is expanding outwards, and will retract inwards. What happens when we do retract? It's simple, all the energy, space, time, all gets mashed up into one small tiny ball, but obviously there's too much energy, too much everything for it to be contained there, so it explodes, (Known as the big bang). I hope I explained it in a way you'll understand it.

Second paragraph:
I strongly respect your belief. My message here though, is the possibility that GOD is everything, God IS our planet, God IS us, and God STARTED off the first loop of the universe, by creating the energy itself.

Last paragraph:
FACT: The big bang HAS been proved, by Steven Hawkin, they just can't get round to what started it off.
I'm not arguing with you, but will share my views.

[katterz]

But that is what i am saying that yeh sure , the big bang has been proven but not 100% proven , because no one knows how it was created or what started and, this is gonna sound silly ,but how say if it was millions of particles together and they exploded how are they gonna know that , they are to created water,land,air,humans etc,it just cant be.

[ObsidianTheGod]

But that is what i am saying that yeh sure , the big bang has been proven but not 100% proven , because no one knows how it was created or what started and, this is gonna sound silly ,but how say if it was millions of particles together and they exploded how are they gonna know that , they are to created water,land,air,humans etc,it just cant be.

I believe there is a God, I just believe we're God, parts of him/her/it.

I mean, the main question people should be asking is: What is God?

(More of a discussion in PM, I don't want people upset).

[Sylvia]

(About what is God further down, but I have to air my views first)

From my perspective, you've written a very interesting take on the cosmological argument.

For those that don't know, the cosmological argument is basically this:
Think of any object, your computer. Your computer was created by a machine in a factory. The factory was made by workers. The workers were made by their parents (birds and the bees, and whatnot )

Everything has to have come from something. So what about the universe? It has to have come from something, and the cosmological argument is that the universe came from God.As Obsidian has said, the universe is expanding. The big bang has been proven as a theory. So we'll assume that we're right on that and that explains how we're here.

Why we're here is a different question - and how we have come to be how we are. I'm more towards Darwin's ideas than we were all plonked on a planet in 7 days. So let's say we come from tiny little creatures in the sea. It's been proven that we adapt to our needs, and over millions of years, our needs have created us less hairy monkeys. Everything lives happily ever after.

Perhaps God is all around us. The main way of growth is cell reproduction, perhaps a God reproduced and eventually there are all of us here. We're descendants of God. As God is often described as everything, different personalities and faces are still God, as he is omnipotent, benevolent... he was the tiny little particle in the sea, and he's us now.

Who knows, eh?

[dankness75]

Before I begin...
They say God gave us freewill. So why follow commandments if we have it? He could have just gave us all our emotions and feelings, and ambitions, except anger, curiosity... So forth.
They also say God exists all around us, if this what I'm saying is real... How true is that?


Well, I am trying to understand the rest of the text but I just want to put my opinion towards these points.

God gave us freewill because God is testing you. God will see if you are going to listen to him and follow whatever he has sent. God has given you a choice to follow commandments and he isn't forcing you. God wants you to be good and supportive and have good emotions. <---- All part of the test to see how much you love God. So basically, freewill is given to see how you use it.

Now, God exist? Ofcourse God exists. These days, people think "What you see is what you believe." <--- True but it is not always the case. For example. Wind is blowing. Can you see the wind? Noyou can't. How do you know it is there? I can feel it. That is how we feel Gods presence.

(About what is God further down, but I have to air my views first)

Perhaps God is all around us. The main way of growth is cell reproduction, perhaps a God reproduced and eventually there are all of us here. We're descendants of God. As God is often described as everything, different personalities and faces are still God, as he is omnipotent, benevolent... he was the tiny little particle in the sea, and he's us now.

Who knows, eh?

I really do not think that God has reproduced us..... God has eternal life so if he gives parts by reproduction then how come we die? It doesn't make sense. Does that mean we're Gods too? ;O

[ObsidianTheGod]

(About what is God further down, but I have to air my views first)

From my perspective, you've written a very interesting take on the cosmological argument.

For those that don't know, the cosmological argument is basically this:
Think of any object, your computer. Your computer was created by a machine in a factory. The factory was made by workers. The workers were made by their parents (birds and the bees, and whatnot )

Everything has to have come from something. So what about the universe? It has to have come from something, and the cosmological argument is that the universe came from God.As Obsidian has said, the universe is expanding. The big bang has been proven as a theory. So we'll assume that we're right on that and that explains how we're here.

Why we're here is a different question - and how we have come to be how we are. I'm more towards Darwin's ideas than we were all plonked on a planet in 7 days. So let's say we come from tiny little creatures in the sea. It's been proven that we adapt to our needs, and over millions of years, our needs have created us less hairy monkeys. Everything lives happily ever after.

Perhaps God is all around us. The main way of growth is cell reproduction, perhaps a God reproduced and eventually there are all of us here. We're descendants of God. As God is often described as everything, different personalities and faces are still God, as he is omnipotent, benevolent... he was the tiny little particle in the sea, and he's us now.

Who knows, eh?

This is where "What is God" comes in. They say NO ONE has seen the face of God, NOBODY. Even in the Bible, therefore, how do we know it's true?
Because of nature, people look at nature and say jeez, this is one beautiful thing, and all this is so complicated, we couldn't come up with it, let's answer with.. God!
God is a good example. However I tend to think outside the box. In my opinion, God is everything. God IS us.

As for the commandments, why would he need to test us? He can do what he wants, we're (In the Bible) his 'Children', our parents don't test us to see if we love them or not.
No, we argue, we fight, some abuse. But (In most cases), we would do anything to save our parents from harm.
In the God/human state of mind. We can chuck the word God around, swear, abuse, etc, but when it comes down to it, when a miracle appears, we thank him more than anything. Especially for health conditions.

Friendly reminder to all: I'm developing my own belief, but I respect everybody elses.

[dankness75]

Nice view Obs, mostly makes sense.

[ObsidianTheGod]

Haha, thanks.