George W. was a president but gets blamed for everything
Obama is a president but doesn't get blamed for anything.
Also,
Are you serious?
There are tons of Republicans and people in general who blame Obama on the economic recession, saying he caused it. People are claiming that if anything happens bad to the USA, it will be Obama's fault because he pushed for simple health care for the poor, gay marriage, and equal rights.
So please, don't say Obama is not blamed for anything. People in Congress, Democrats and Republicans don't criticize Bush ever, or they do at a very limited level because Radical Republicans will literally flip shit because they regard Bush as some God, and the best President there was.
ghost 9 wrote:That does not embrace the ideas of capitalism. True capitalism has no government involvement. That thing needs to get rid of that.
In theory, capitalism has no government involvement, but as reality shows, the economic policy of "State Capitalism" or, capitalism in general allows a free market that follows government regulation, and the government controls the heights of the economy, so to say.
This health care bill, the one Obama is trying to push through, follows qualities of real capitalism, not capitalism in theory. Like al ideas, not every political ideology follows their ideology in theory, word to word.
If Capitalism was what you said, anyone could make a business anywhere they wanted, and did not have to follow regulations by the government (like minimum wage, certain worker rights like health care and protection of individuality) and Corporations could essentially do whatever they wanted to their workers. But, over time, as capitalism evolved, it adapted to economic problems that socialism points out. Capitalism identifies and agrees with these regulations and new ideas, but waits for the democratic process for the Government to enforce these regulations, while socialism thinks that the Government should take control of, and/or highly supervise corporations to force corporations to accept all regulations and worker rights, no matter if the people want it or not.
The kind of capitalism you are thinking of, of an entirely free market is the early-liberal economic policy of a free market, or better known as in French, "Laissez-Faire", which was adopted by France, Germany, the UK, and America during the Industrial Revolutions to support the economic revolution and fast growing economies. But over time, the ideas developed into capitalism and socialism that were created to fix things such as poor working environments, low pay, no health care, no pensions, and so forth and both sides agreed and liked to help all of these ideas, but both took different methods, or options on how to bring them forward, as I've said before.
I thought you of all people would know how Capitalism worked, or what it was, since you love to defend it so much. It's not entirely a free market. The Government controls the heights, and enforces numerous regulations and qualifications corporations must meet for them to operate legally, and you have to go through a lot of paper work to create your own business if it reaches a certain height.
The point is the fact that it says it embraces capitalism. It doesn't. It embraces a mixed market system with limited government involvement.
Capitalism has no government involvement because it believes that competition will regulate prices and quality. That's the truth of the matter. It is talking about embracing a mixed market economy, so it should say such.
Also, quit posting walls of text. You can get your point across and explain in not but a paragraph or so.
"The costs of action are far less than the costs of inaction."
"If you don't want to be forgotten as soon as you're dead, write something worth reading, or do something worth writing"
ghost 9 wrote:The point is the fact that it says it embraces capitalism. It doesn't. It embraces a mixed market system with limited government involvement.
ObamaCare centralizes private health care insurers together and regulates them so they can do their job more accurately and efficiently in providing health care for their customers and forming a balance between how much each class pays, while encouraging them to bring better health care coverage to get more customers, thus creating health care competiton. Capitalism is all about following Government regulations and rules while competiing with other corporations that give the same, if not similar products or goods or services while maintaining a good profit. ObamaCare does that. Therefore, ObamaCare is capitalist. As I've said before, if you take away government interaction, involvement, and regulation, it isn't capitalism, but the early industrial liberal economic policy called, "Laissez Faire".
Capitalism has no government involvement because it believes that competition will regulate prices and quality. Again, that is not capitalism, but Laissez Faire, an early liberal economic policy promoting free market with no government interaction, involvement, or regulation. When problems arose in the work area and corporations abused their workers, capitalism came in to give rights and regulations by Government. That's the truth of the matter. It is talking about embracing a mixed market economy, so it should say such. A mixed market economy is a balance between private and public corporations, employment, and economic activity and expansionism while all follow basic regulations, but each one has separate specific regulations. Capitalism, as I've had to explain to you so many times, but you seem to not understand, promotes private corporation economic expansionism while the Government gives them certain regulations to follow and the Government sets the heights of the national economy.
Also, quit posting walls of text. You can get your point across and explain in not but a paragraph or so. If that's true, then it's pointless for people to give speeches or write articles and what not. And it's hard to give a point across to someone who does not fully understand the difference between real economic policies, and what that person thinks they are.
"The degree of competition, role of intervention and regulation, and scope of public ownership varies across different models of capitalism. Economists, political economists, and historians have taken different perspectives in their analysis of capitalism and recognized various forms of it in practice. These include laissez-faire capitalism, welfare capitalism and state capitalism; each highlighting varying degrees of dependency on markets, public ownership, and inclusion of social policies. The extent to which different markets are free, as well as the rules defining private property, is a matter of politics and policy. Many states have what are termed capitalist mixed economies, referring to a mix between planned and market-driven elements"
Obamacare is not capitalist. It is the most socialist thing you can find in American capitalism. It takes massive ownership of an entire market. One that it has no business in. It could have easily put a price ceiling on insurance in order to lower it, and make it more affordable, or not messed with a system that, while flawed, still worked.
Laissez-Faire is a capitalist form. Mixed Market is as well, so I'll give you that. However, I don't consider it limited involvement when the governmet starts messing with massive aspects of a general market. I consider that heavy involvement.
"The costs of action are far less than the costs of inaction."
"If you don't want to be forgotten as soon as you're dead, write something worth reading, or do something worth writing"
Ghost, if ObamaCare was socialist, then it would get rid of all health insurers there are, mold them together, and have the Government have complete control of the health insurance industry and have everyone be covered by the Government.
But no Obama Care does not do that. Why? Because it's not socialist. ObamaCare regulates health insurers so they may not rip off nor abuse their customers, and lets health insurance be a little more accessible to the poor while slightly increasing how much the rich pay. In doing this, promotes people find their health insurance giving people options on whether or not they want health insurance or not, and if they do want health insurance, what company and what coverage do they want? and if they don't, they can do paper work to get a tax reduction so they aren't covered by health care, and won't have to pay for health care to for other people.
That's pretty capitalist to me. .-.
And, I'm still trying to find out why it's so bad that Obama is trying to make it so that everyone has access to basic medical attention. What is so wrong about that? Why is that such a problem?
You do realize the whole world is laughing at America and her difficulty at passing a basic, simple, health care law? They're either laughing, or trying to understand the concept of how health care is such a big issue, or it's a problem.
Republicans don't want health care laws to be passed, because people will love it and want more of it. Same thing happened with medicare. Before it was passed, Republicans said no one will like it, it will destroy our economy and America, blah blah blah, but oh wait when it was passed, oh crap looks like Americans loved it because it did a lot of good.
So please, explain to me how logically health care is so bad and wrong.
It is the most socialist thing you can find in American capitalism. Not socialist, most socialist thing in American capitalism.
Lolno. Republicans don't want it because it costs corporations income. They are business friendly, Having companies have to pay for the insurance, when we're in a recession, is straight stupid. Why are they going to employ more people, when it costs more?
Because it is a hindrance to growth. It needs to be saved for when we are NOT in a recession.
(Also, see how I responded without a paragraph per arguement?)
"The costs of action are far less than the costs of inaction."
"If you don't want to be forgotten as soon as you're dead, write something worth reading, or do something worth writing"
George W. was a president but gets blamed for everything
Obama is a president but doesn't get blamed for anything.
Also,
Are you serious?
There are tons of Republicans and people in general who blame Obama on the economic recession, saying he caused it. People are claiming that if anything happens bad to the USA, it will be Obama's fault because he pushed for simple health care for the poor, gay marriage, and equal rights.
So please, don't say Obama is not blamed for anything. People in Congress, Democrats and Republicans don't criticize Bush ever, or they do at a very limited level because Radical Republicans will literally flip shit because they regard Bush as some God, and the best President there was.
Aaaaalso...
I wasn't referring to the whackjobs. Specifically, I'm referring to the liberal community I study at.
Apparently, btw, helping the poor to not become poor anymore is a communist thing. Not sure why implanting a communist thing, or labeling something that is apparently communist, is soooo bad, but, according to Republicans, it is.
Do you understand how Communism works?? or better yet - doesn't work? Plus its not so much a communist thing as much as it is a Socialist thing. either way, both are awful and not what America is about.
I wish I could go to Canada.
Or Australia.
haha, funny thing is, NO ONE'S STOPPING YOU. but bear in mind - no one likes canada. canada doesnt even like canada. and people from Australia are nuts. Just look at that frook guy
For trying.
