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Next President of the United States?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 06 Oct 2013, 15:23

Since the recent Republican-caused government shutdown, they lost a lot of popularity with the people, and since Warren has been battling corporations and health regulators for quite some time, I hope she does run for President. She'll be the first real President we've had since ages.

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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Dr Frook » 07 Oct 2013, 00:20

the next president will be presiding over a fallen empire and a dysfunctional government. May frook have mercy on the souls of the poor american people.
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby ghost 9 » 07 Oct 2013, 00:43

We've established that both parties are at fault here.
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Dr Frook » 07 Oct 2013, 00:46

ghost 9 wrote:We've established that both parties are at fault here.


I think the speaker of the house is most at fault. Peeps may disagree with the healthcare policy, but obama was reelected based on its introduction. The republicans need to respect the wish of the majority of the american people and stop acting like children.

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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby ghost 9 » 07 Oct 2013, 01:12

57% of America doesn't want it, and we cannot afford it right now. What the republicans did was an extreme, but it was based on what they thought was right, while Obama care is based purely on what Obama wants to do. (Also, approval ratings in the Republicans states actually haven't changed much, if at all, which is why they did this.)
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Dr Frook » 07 Oct 2013, 01:15

ghost 9 wrote:57% of America doesn't want it, and we cannot afford it right now. What the republicans did was an extreme, but it was based on what they thought was right, while Obama care is based purely on what Obama wants to do. (Also, approval ratings in the Republicans states actually haven't changed much, if at all, which is why they did this.)


too bad, the majority of a merry cans voted in obama - end of story. They need to move on and accept the policy he was fighting for during the election. Any other stats mean nothing. The US cant afford going to war all the time, they can afford healthcare.
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby ghost 9 » 07 Oct 2013, 01:16

Defense is 19% of the budget. Social security is 22%, medicade is 6% and medicare is 16%. So you're saying we should allocate even more to things that do the SAME THING?
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 07 Oct 2013, 09:49

ghost 9 wrote:Defense is 19% of the budget. Social security is 22%, medicade is 6% and medicare is 16%. So you're saying we should allocate even more to things that do the SAME THING?

Defense has always been in the range of 15-25%, sometimes 30% in all countries for the longest time. When I play Victoria II, my military spending and upkeep is always around 15-25%. The highest I've ever gone was being 26%, but that was when I had a military of 2.4 million Egyptians xD Spending on stockpilling goods, Administration, education, unemployment benefits, and social security have always combined more than defense. Why? Because you're pushing everything else the country spends on against defense xD.

Countries are suppose to spend a good ammount of their budget on domestic programs and issues. That's how governments in general work.

And, now that I'm seeing it, Republicans are the ones to blame. Obama is the Head of State, he looks at what the Representatives and Senators want as a majority, not the people. Congress represents the people, President interacts with Congress.

As far as I'm concerned, ObamaCare was passed into law, so it is law. And how he must execute it and enforce it.

Even though your 57% of Americans are against it, was it 75-80%? of Americans are against the Government shutdown, and the tactic the GOP used to protest ObamaCare. The Republicans literally threw a fit that ObamaCare was passed, so they decided to take the government, the economy, and millions of workers and economic activities hostage until their demands are met, demands that they won't even negotiate. Yeah, they said they would, but the Democrats negotiated a lot with the Republicans on ObamaCare and so many other issues, and the moments Democrats say, "No, frook you, I want to pass this." All of a sudden it's a problem? And it's all the Democrats fault? Sorry, but no. First time Democrats are being aggressive, like the Republicans have all this time and you throw a fit about it. Amazing.

Now, the reason why so many people are against the Government shut down, is because it's going to cause a lot of people to die.

WIC, a program that provides food and sometimes shelter to poor women and children is not functioning anymore. A lot of people rely on WIC for food. If WIC won't work, people will start starving and then die, if this shutdown continues.

The Flu vaccines will not be handed out until the Government starts working, and flu season is just starting, no? A lot of people who don't have the money to get the flu vaccine from private health insurers, and rely on public hospitals and health to provide it, will probably get sick with the flu, and some will die without the vaccine.

Numerous economic activities have been frozen by the Government, since the shutdown happened, and a lot of corporations won't be able to do much, if this continues, causing our economy to plummet, like it did in 08-09. And who will be the blame? Republicans.

Using stalling tactics to force a country and it's government to meet your demands, or the economy and the people suffer greatly, is something called, "terrorism". Your Republican buddies, Ghost, are very fond of using that word on their enemies. Now, they have become them.
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby ghost 9 » 07 Oct 2013, 10:49

They're supposed to spend teh majority of the budget that they can afford. Seeing as how it creates a deficit, I don't think you can accurately say that we can afford it all.

It was passed into a law solely due to the fact that the liberals had Congress and the presidency at the time. That's about it.
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Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 07 Oct 2013, 18:43

ghost 9 wrote:They're supposed to spend teh majority of the budget that they can afford.
America, and almost all the world has borrowed money to pay everything they want for the longest time now. Especially in today's current economy, you're crazy if you think the deficit can be broken in a year, considering modern politics.
Seeing as how it creates a deficit, I don't think you can accurately say that we can afford it all.
I do agree with you that we need to cut domestic spending, but I think we need to 1) regulate it so instead of just giving money to the unemployed, we need to help them find a job and limit the time on how long they can be on welfare(which socialist countries such as Canada and Australia do) and 2 also make cuts on the military, since we spend more than the world combined.

But, as you see in almost every country that ever went socialist, you must take steps to geer to a socialist economy, and even though Obama's steps have been small, it will cause an avalanche of socialist reforms that don't do much harm on the economy, but instead, expand, promote, and employ it. Sometimes socialist and liberal revolutions on society and government can come at a cost, some more steep and devastating than others. Same can be said about conservative and fascist revolutions.

It was passed into a law solely due to the fact that the liberals had Congress and the presidency at the time. That's about it.
That is how democracy works. If you want a completely representative nation, please, move to a socialist republic or a communist dictatorship that actually follows their ideologies. Or, since you like to be right winged, move to a Constitutional Monarchy or a Presidential Dictatorship(though you will not have equal rights, or much rights at all for right wingers don't really care about those.)

What Republicans should do, is let ObamaCare be implanted, and IF, ObamaCare destroys the economy(which would be the only health care system in history that would actually destroy a nation's economy) then the Republicans should use that as their advantage in the 2016 or 2020 elections. Not throw a hissy fit and take the government and economy hostage.

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