Next President of the United States?

Talk about serious issues here!
User avatar
Shadowstar1922
I Shall Eatz You
Posts: 5771
Joined: 03 May 2011, 21:51
Location: i don't even know bro
Contact:

Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 07 Oct 2013, 22:05

Elizabeth Warren kicks some major effing ass yet again.

Image
Image

User avatar
ghost 9
FWG King
Posts: 824
Joined: 04 Apr 2010, 18:33
Location: In your walls. O-o
Contact:

Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby ghost 9 » 07 Oct 2013, 23:50

Shadowstar1922 wrote:
ghost 9 wrote:They're supposed to spend teh majority of the budget that they can afford.
America, and almost all the world has borrowed money to pay everything they want for the longest time now. Especially in today's current economy, you're crazy if you think the deficit can be broken in a year, considering modern politics.
Seeing as how it creates a deficit, I don't think you can accurately say that we can afford it all.
I do agree with you that we need to cut domestic spending, but I think we need to 1) regulate it so instead of just giving money to the unemployed, we need to help them find a job and limit the time on how long they can be on welfare(which socialist countries such as Canada and Australia do) and 2 also make cuts on the military, since we spend more than the world combined.

But, as you see in almost every country that ever went socialist, you must take steps to geer to a socialist economy, and even though Obama's steps have been small, it will cause an avalanche of socialist reforms that don't do much harm on the economy, but instead, expand, promote, and employ it. Sometimes socialist and liberal revolutions on society and government can come at a cost, some more steep and devastating than others. Same can be said about conservative and fascist revolutions.

It was passed into a law solely due to the fact that the liberals had Congress and the presidency at the time. That's about it.
That is how democracy works. If you want a completely representative nation, please, move to a socialist republic or a communist dictatorship that actually follows their ideologies. Or, since you like to be right winged, move to a Constitutional Monarchy or a Presidential Dictatorship(though you will not have equal rights, or much rights at all for right wingers don't really care about those.)

What Republicans should do, is let ObamaCare be implanted, and IF, ObamaCare destroys the economy(which would be the only health care system in history that would actually destroy a nation's economy) then the Republicans should use that as their advantage in the 2016 or 2020 elections. Not throw a hissy fit and take the government and economy hostage.



It can't be fixed in a year, no. But we also can't keep increasing the debt limit while doing nothing to slow the debt from increasing.

I think you should have to submit a few applications a year to be able to apply for unemployment, and that includes going to job interviews and so on.
(America is meant to be a capitalist nation. I cannot see it turn socialist.)

I want a republican in during recessions and hard economic times, because most of them know how to run businesses and can handle this stuff. However, socially I'm a moderate. I don't like too much right wing, or too much left wing. Extremism of either side is generally bad.

ObamaCare isn't similar to other healthcare systems out there. You and me have both gone over this before. And, their job isn't to let the economy become a shithole, but to prevent that very thing from happening.
"The costs of action are far less than the costs of inaction."

"If you don't want to be forgotten as soon as you're dead, write something worth reading, or do something worth writing"

User avatar
Shadowstar1922
I Shall Eatz You
Posts: 5771
Joined: 03 May 2011, 21:51
Location: i don't even know bro
Contact:

Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 08 Oct 2013, 00:46

Gaaaah, i'm gonna use purple, because red makes me seem too agressive when i'm not trying to be.

ghost 9 wrote:
Shadowstar1922 wrote:
ghost 9 wrote:They're supposed to spend teh majority of the budget that they can afford.
America, and almost all the world has borrowed money to pay everything they want for the longest time now. Especially in today's current economy, you're crazy if you think the deficit can be broken in a year, considering modern politics.
Seeing as how it creates a deficit, I don't think you can accurately say that we can afford it all.
I do agree with you that we need to cut domestic spending, but I think we need to 1) regulate it so instead of just giving money to the unemployed, we need to help them find a job and limit the time on how long they can be on welfare(which socialist countries such as Canada and Australia do) and 2 also make cuts on the military, since we spend more than the world combined.

But, as you see in almost every country that ever went socialist, you must take steps to geer to a socialist economy, and even though Obama's steps have been small, it will cause an avalanche of socialist reforms that don't do much harm on the economy, but instead, expand, promote, and employ it. Sometimes socialist and liberal revolutions on society and government can come at a cost, some more steep and devastating than others. Same can be said about conservative and fascist revolutions.

It was passed into a law solely due to the fact that the liberals had Congress and the presidency at the time. That's about it.
That is how democracy works. If you want a completely representative nation, please, move to a socialist republic or a communist dictatorship that actually follows their ideologies. Or, since you like to be right winged, move to a Constitutional Monarchy or a Presidential Dictatorship(though you will not have equal rights, or much rights at all for right wingers don't really care about those.)

What Republicans should do, is let ObamaCare be implanted, and IF, ObamaCare destroys the economy(which would be the only health care system in history that would actually destroy a nation's economy) then the Republicans should use that as their advantage in the 2016 or 2020 elections. Not throw a hissy fit and take the government and economy hostage.



It can't be fixed in a year, no. But we also can't keep increasing the debt limit while doing nothing to slow the debt from increasing.

The debt has been slowed down. :P
Image


I think you should have to submit a few applications a year to be able to apply for unemployment, and that includes going to job interviews and so on.
Not sure what you're trying to say, but if you do not have a job, then you can apply for getting welfare, or unemployment. You go through paperworks. My uncle was laid off, he explained to me how it worked. Now, if you got fired, that is something different, and you are on your own, for you caused your unemployment.

(America is meant to be a capitalist nation. I cannot see it turn socialist.)
Really? Socialist ecomic policies brought our economy out of the Great Depression in the 30's on numerous bills that restricted big corporations and gave more economic rights to the people. One of the most famous bills that was passed to secure us out of the GD, was the Glass-Steagall bill, that make it clear corporations could not gamble with their investors money unethically, which made corporations not become power-hungry fools and play the economy, to only end up slowly hurting it. When Steagall was removed in 1999, it is the sole reason why the recession hit in 2008-09, creating a domino effect, numerous banks and corporations dipped here and there until the epic drop in 08-09. The socialist movement in America, or, better known as the Labor movement, fought for black/white marriage equality, equality for women, brought better corporation regulations that ended up expanding the economy, brought worker regulations and safety requirements so workers were more qualified, and had better standards in the work place, and the socialist movement in America is the reason why a lot of rights, such as freedom of the press, speech, and to protest have been expanded from their previous limitations, and the labor movement is responsible for the black rights movement headed by MLK, and set up the base of acceptance of homosexuality in America.

Eseentially, socialism smacked America in the face with a reality check and brought back the ideas of our founding fathers by applying them to modern politics, society, and economy while expanding them to meet new changes in the body politic.

We even have a national holiday celebrating the Labor movement.

Any country can become a socialist state/republic. Germany went through all forms of governments. Monarchies to Constitutional Monarchies to Federations to Fascist States, to liberal governments and now, a semi libero-socialist state. Russia has gone through Monarchies, to Bourgeois Monarchies, to full out communism, to back to Authoritarian democratic Federated republic, or however you want to describe it.

America can become anything the people and it's government push for. :P



I want a republican in during recessions and hard economic times, because most of them know how to run businesses and can handle this stuff.

True, but you'd need a democratic/liberal congress to make sure that conservative doesn't sell out to the corporations too much and lets said corporations play around with the economy, Yes, conservatism can expand economies better than liberalism, but they do this while they walk over the working class and people and stamp all over their rights and livelyhood, using them as slaves, so to say. You need someone to keep him/her in check from not violating worker rights.

However, socially I'm a moderate. I don't like too much right wing, or too much left wing. Extremism of either side is generally bad.

You can find a good balance. I've seen that socialist republics are good with people's rights while somehow imposing a strong government on the left, and Constitutional Monarchies are good with government rights and power, while somehow imposing a strong, "Bill of rights" you could say on the right winged. The left balance is vague and basic when it comes to government rights, and the constitutional monarchies are vague and basic when it comes to people's rights, but both seem to be very strong in protecting the rights they give to both sides and slowly expand both.

In my opinion, you must lean on one side or the other, but never, ever go too far or too little. That causes slices of the perfect lean that lead to problems, like Obama taking tiny slivers of socialism and ruining it(kind of) and if you go too far, you end up taking extremist measures, such as the revolutionaries during the French Revolution, overtime ruining the original ideas, and Josef Stalin when he took command of the communist revolution, literally killing Lenin's revolution.

ObamaCare isn't similar to other healthcare systems out there. You and me have both gone over this before. And, their job isn't to let the economy become a shithole, but to prevent that very thing from happening.

It's a step, like I've said before. It isn't comparable to the Irish, Canadian, Vietnamese, Chinese, nor Aussie health care system, but it's a nice step. Though ,like all bills, they need some edits here and there that democrats must make a reality, not republicans.
Image
Image

User avatar
ghost 9
FWG King
Posts: 824
Joined: 04 Apr 2010, 18:33
Location: In your walls. O-o
Contact:

Re: Next President of the United States?

Postby ghost 9 » 08 Oct 2013, 20:31

I suggest you post a tl;dr, because I'm not gonna bother reading all of that.
"The costs of action are far less than the costs of inaction."

"If you don't want to be forgotten as soon as you're dead, write something worth reading, or do something worth writing"


Return to “Serious Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests