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So you can see that society already sympathizes with women, time to have a men's movement now, no? Or is that sexist
Its a real story btw, you can find the video of it etc if you want

Shadow00 wrote:
So you can see that society already sympathizes with women, time to have a men's movement now, no? Or is that sexist
Its a real story btw, you can find the video of it etc if you want

All of this is exactly able to happen, and it's certainly something that is wrong and proves a whole lot of points.

The women's movement has hardly done shit so far. It'll be time for a men's revolution when men stop treating women as objects and when people stop sympathizing with the rapist for "ruining their futures with their actions".

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:The women's movement has hardly done shit so far. It'll be time for a men's revolution when men stop treating women as objects and when people stop sympathizing with the rapist for "ruining their futures with their actions".

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Tycoon Witch wrote:

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:The women's movement has hardly done shit so far. It'll be time for a men's revolution when men stop treating women as objects and when people stop sympathizing with the rapist for "ruining their futures with their actions".

this

And so goes the argument that men are still wrong and will be wrong for going entirely against human nature. However, murderers still get the same thing, so it isn't exclusive to rapists.

The Divine Potato wrote:

Tycoon Witch wrote:

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:The women's movement has hardly done shit so far. It'll be time for a men's revolution when men stop treating women as objects and when people stop sympathizing with the rapist for "ruining their futures with their actions".

this

And so goes the argument that men are still wrong and will be wrong for going entirely against human nature. However, murderers still get the same thing, so it isn't exclusive to rapists.

So what if it's human nature? It's still wrong to have sex with someone without consent and the result of it can lead to horrible things for both parties. And yes, it isn't exclusive to rapists, I understand that. Both murderers and rapists can just find better outlets to get out their anger/sexual frustrations/whatever. There are so many better outlets that don't effect other human beings as much as the ones that they choose. Some people find that playing violent video games for an hour a day and getting all your anger out through that way is a good way to relieve stress.

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:

The Divine Potato wrote:

Tycoon Witch wrote:

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:The women's movement has hardly done shit so far. It'll be time for a men's revolution when men stop treating women as objects and when people stop sympathizing with the rapist for "ruining their futures with their actions".

this

And so goes the argument that men are still wrong and will be wrong for going entirely against human nature. However, murderers still get the same thing, so it isn't exclusive to rapists.

So what if it's human nature? It's still wrong to have sex with someone without consent and the result of it can lead to horrible things for both parties. And yes, it isn't exclusive to rapists, I understand that. Both murderers and rapists can just find better outlets to get out their anger/sexual frustrations/whatever. There are so many better outlets that don't effect other human beings as much as the ones that they choose. Some people find that playing violent video games for an hour a day and getting all your anger out through that way is a good way to relieve stress.

I didn't mean rape was human nature, I was trying to say treating women as 'objects' is human nature, though both my own statement and the very statement I was going against seems invalid. Since men only call women 'woman' in: jokes, societies where it's viewed as socially right but it really should not be and America is usually bombing them, and in abusive relationships. All of which have a quick and easy solution, except possibly the second one. The solutions are

Jokes: laugh and then take it as it is, a joke and then give a sexist joke to men that is actually funny, to both sides.

Countries: that's a topic for a whole different thread.

Abusive relationships(for either gender): a quick call of either the emergency services, or if your one of those kinds of people, the Jeremy Kyle show(reason for that is they have a trained psychologist that helps the families after the show.)

The solutions are easy, doing them is just society's big huge stupid problem.

Infact. Now that I think about it, the argument really was never fabricated by women and men, women never began under the thumb of their male counterparts, probably a little of the opposite the male having to please his group of females in the animal kingdom. Somewhere along the line, it was society that thought this whole stupid idea of women being below men. And now society pretty much has corrected that way and we've went off balance towards the other side.

The Divine Potato wrote:

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:

The Divine Potato wrote:

Tycoon Witch wrote:

IlikeAwesomeSauce wrote:The women's movement has hardly done shit so far. It'll be time for a men's revolution when men stop treating women as objects and when people stop sympathizing with the rapist for "ruining their futures with their actions".

this

And so goes the argument that men are still wrong and will be wrong for going entirely against human nature. However, murderers still get the same thing, so it isn't exclusive to rapists.

So what if it's human nature? It's still wrong to have sex with someone without consent and the result of it can lead to horrible things for both parties. And yes, it isn't exclusive to rapists, I understand that. Both murderers and rapists can just find better outlets to get out their anger/sexual frustrations/whatever. There are so many better outlets that don't effect other human beings as much as the ones that they choose. Some people find that playing violent video games for an hour a day and getting all your anger out through that way is a good way to relieve stress.

I didn't mean rape was human nature, I was trying to say treating women as 'objects' is human nature, though both my own statement and the very statement I was going against seems invalid. Since men only call women 'woman' in: jokes, societies where it's viewed as socially right but it really should not be and America is usually bombing them, and in abusive relationships. All of which have a quick and easy solution, except possibly the second one. The solutions are

Jokes: laugh and then take it as it is, a joke and then give a sexist joke to men that is actually funny, to both sides.

Countries: that's a topic for a whole different thread.

Abusive relationships(for either gender): a quick call of either the emergency services, or if your one of those kinds of people, the Jeremy Kyle show(reason for that is they have a trained psychologist that helps the families after the show.)

The solutions are easy, doing them is just society's big huge stupid problem.

Infact. Now that I think about it, the argument really was never fabricated by women and men, women never began under the thumb of their male counterparts, probably a little of the opposite the male having to please his group of females in the animal kingdom. Somewhere along the line, it was society that thought this whole stupid idea of women being below men. And now society pretty much has corrected that way and we've went off balance towards the other side.

i agree with part of what you've said, but not all of it.

treating women as objects isn't human nature otherwise women ourselves would treat ourselves as objects (as, surprisingly, we actually are human! imagine!)

jokes aren't always okay because they easily go too far, are often really offensive and you can't get around them (eg a comeback, a retaliating joke) without uproar

abusive relationships aren't solved with a quick call to 999 or a trip to the Jeremy kyle show
yes they may see a psychologist but beforehand they will certainly have received psychological damage, and maybe too scared to call someone if they are heavily threatened, and also they probably wouldn't want it publicised to everyone

woman never began under the thumb of women, in fact we were once equal (again, imagine that!) and even today, the males please the women in our society in similar ways as the women please the men
in medieval times this unbalance originated and women were oppressed.

however, society has NOT corrected that way and we are still not equal.
in some ways, yes, women are more privileged than men.
but in most ways, no

when is a man told to go cook the food because they are male?
when is a man asked what they were wearing when they were raped?
when is a man told that he should not be working he should stay at home and raise his children?
when is a man told to clean, because he is male?
when is a man paid less because he is male?

male protagonists are default
males do not have their masculinity called into question when he does not have kids
males do not have careless driving attributed to their gender
males are not expected to change their name upon heterosexual marriage

Tycoon Witch wrote:male protagsnists are default

But they are also default antagonists.

Percyception wrote:

Tycoon Witch wrote:male protagsnists are default

But they are also default antagonists.

my point there was that the protagonist, the person in popular stories that people are meant to identify with, are male.

there are generally more female antagonists that there are female protagonists, though