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Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 03:59
by Flobalob
"A woman in the US state of Idaho has been killed after her two-year-old son accidentally shot her with a gun he found when reaching into her handbag.
The woman, named by the local sheriff's office as Veronica J Rutledge, 29, was shot in a Wal-Mart in Hayden, a town in Idaho's northern panhandle.
She had been shopping with several children at the time, a spokesman for the office said.
Officials said Ms Rutledge had had a concealed weapons permit.
She and her children had been in the rear of the store near the electronics area when the shooting occurred, they said.
The Wal-Mart closed after the shooting and is not expected to reopen until Wednesday.
Witnesses and video surveillance from the store helped officials determine the shooting was accidental, said broadcaster KREM.
The victim came from Blackfoot, a town in the south of Idaho, the sheriff's office said in a statement on Facebook."
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 04:13
by Foopzheart
It's not giving people guns, it's giving the right people guns. If you give a gun to somebody that will put said gun in the reach of a toddler, bad things will happen. If people are responsible, hell yeah they should have guns.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 10:22
by The Divine Potato
Fuipui wrote:It's not giving people guns, it's giving the right people guns. If you give a gun to somebody that will put said gun in the reach of a toddler, bad things will happen. If people are responsible, hell yeah they should have guns.
Concealed weapons too, there is no 'right' person to give a gun to. Give one to a mother, this happens, give it to a rich spoilt teenage white boy, something like Elliot Rodgers happens. Give them to police, don't even get me started there, give them to any form of black person then everyone suddenly expects them to start gunning them all down.
You could give it to Barack Obama and then you could find a reason probably.
The same goes with knife crime, there is no 'right' place to be stabbed, but a bullet will when fired from a gun, unless you guys authorise body armour to the general populace will kill you a whole lot faster than a knife.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 14:31
by Shadowstar1922
well if only she had the safety thingy on, this wouldn't have happened.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 19:51
by Flobalob
Hatty wrote:There aren't many, if any, 'right people' out there. I understand people like to use a gun as a form of self defence but there are many other means of self defence they could use. The risks far outweigh the benefits imo.
^ Totally agree with this. You can have a taser, for example. If that kid had accidentally shot her with a taser, she'd have lived, easily. And in self defence, a taser is just as good as a gun unless you're shooting Bane.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 20:21
by Dr Frook
yeah so stupid... again
this mom is so at fault for not putting the safety on her gun.
but would have been sooo much better if there was no gun in the firsst place.
guns dont kill people, it's people holding the guns. So I say we kill all the guns.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 31 Dec 2014, 23:30
by Shadowstar1922
Flobalob wrote:Hatty wrote:There aren't many, if any, 'right people' out there. I understand people like to use a gun as a form of self defence but there are many other means of self defence they could use. The risks far outweigh the benefits imo.
^ Totally agree with this. You can have a taser, for example. If that kid had accidentally shot her with a taser, she'd have lived, easily. And in self defence, a taser is just as good as a gun unless you're shooting Bane.
i agree with you both on an extreme and unnatural level.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 01 Jan 2015, 19:16
by Shadow00
You reap what you sow, no?
After all it was her mistake, so why should we feel bad about consequences she brought upon herself?
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 01 Jan 2015, 21:10
by Flobalob
Shadow00 wrote:You reap what you sow, no?
After all it was her mistake, so why should we feel bad about consequences she brought upon herself?
I see what you're saying, but that's not really the point. The point is that this never would have happened had she not been allowed to own the gun in the first place. I'm sure she had people who loved her - family, friends etc., there were witnesses who obviously saw the aftermath which I'm sure was gruesome, but primarily the kid. He'll have to go the rest of his life wondering who his mother was and what she was like, and knowing that the only reason he doesn't
already know is because
he shot her. He'll never live that down.
That's just a few examples of people affected by this one incident.
Re: Two y/o accidentally shoots own mother - Gun Debate
Posted: 03 Jan 2015, 21:40
by Excalibur
Flobalob wrote:Shadow00 wrote:You reap what you sow, no?
After all it was her mistake, so why should we feel bad about consequences she brought upon herself?
I see what you're saying, but that's not really the point. The point is that this never would have happened had she not been allowed to own the gun in the first place. I'm sure she had people who loved her - family, friends etc., there were witnesses who obviously saw the aftermath which I'm sure was gruesome, but primarily the kid. He'll have to go the rest of his life wondering who his mother was and what she was like, and knowing that the only reason he doesn't
already know is because
he shot her. He'll never live that down.
That's just a few examples of people affected by this one incident.
guns dont kill people, people kill people. Owning a gun is not the problem, the problem arises when people who do own guns don't take proper gun precautions. smh