mmm wrote:Shadowstar1922 wrote:Bernie Sanders is a good man, and he's right in his mind and the things he'll push for are things that will work and do so much good for the country, BUT
he's a darn revisionist. he's policies aren't going to solve capitalism it's just going to subdue and suppress the harsh affects the economic system has. He isn't going to remodel anything, he won't revamp anything, he'll just slightly reorganize and introduce some taxes, take away other taxes, spend money here and there to fix the bad, but he isn't revolutionary and he isn't a socialist at all.
he's a social democrat.
and as much social democrats are needed to safely transition from vulture capitalism to the free market to then the decentralization of the state and distribution of the wealth (communism he*ck yeah) he's just a dirty revisionist who kinda bothers me sometimes.
i am all for him because he'll be a nice step in socialism, but if the next thirty years we have bernie after bernie, it'll just turn into Scandinavia where they stopped with their leftism and kept social democracy as it is (which is gross)
I...I just don't get you shad. Scandinavia is SET. Their education and healthcare systems are top notch. Why not be like them?
oh no no no nOOOOO pls don't misunderstand me.
i love leftism in general and what the Scandinavia states are doing is great. What Bernie Sanders will do is almost parallel to them and it's great.
But from a socialist point of view, and a historical point of view, the two are simply revisionists. A revisionist is someone in the leftist group (ergo socialists, social democrats, communists, etc) who have (usually) joined similar political groups to gain power in democratic states via elections and simply conformed and gave up some of their ideas in order to maintain cooperation within the colalition.
Example: The Social Democratic Worker's Federation Party of Brussels (democratic soccialst) formed a coalition with the Liberals in Belgium in order to gain power in Parliament in the 1900s. the democratic socialist party demanded both male suffrage and female suffrage, as well as fighting for a reformed voting system. In 1907, however, in order to pass male suffrage, the Liberals demanded from the democratic socialists to give up their fight for female suffrage and a reformed voting system. And they did, in 1907. They revised their principles and conformed to the gross bourgeois to get male suffrage. These things happened over time in early 1900s European politics where social democratic parties gave up a lot of their ideas for the little. And ontop of that, the democratic socialists officially renounced their plan to keep fighting for female suffrage and a reformed voting system. That party never continued its struggle again. Next generation later, democratic socialism in Belgium never returned to fighting for female suffrage, nor the reformed voting system. This is my problem. This has happened in so many states.
And that's what Bernier Sanders is, and Scandinavia. Sure, the only exception is that the Scandinavian states did not conform to a liberal/moderate party, they simply conformed their radicalism in fear of Soviet/American aggression, so they progressed slowly and as of now, kinda stopped.
So yes, as a leftist i am all for social democrats, but the vibe sanders gives me is just meh. this is it. i will set no precedence for further reformation but this is just it. and that bothers me. you need to keep going. Keep progressing.
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