IS - Western Intervention

[GarthVader449]

Recently we have heard of beheadings, and the most recent being a Jordanian Pilot burned alive. World Leaders around the world have vowed to eradicate such a violent group. With Air Strikes on the rise, support for troops on the ground to fight and stop such atrocities is growing. Latest polls show 40-45% (in UK) in favour of ground operations, with this set to rise should governments be preparing to put these perpetrators to bed once and for all... Only time will tell.

[The Divine Potato]

Why isn't there a "I don't care about ethics, hit all countries that even smell of IS with ICBMs" option?

[dankness75]

I don't get this, honestly. Okay there are bad things going on and in this case the IS but why doesn't the west fix itself first. I think the media has gone too far this time. I find it funny that they call Muslims terrorists. They need to see what terrorist means. They look at punishments like beheading or burning pilots. what about crime? Knife crimes, gun crimes. Isn't that as bad as burning someone? These Western Conspiracies will keep on going and they need to stop butting in and fix themselves first. I understand there are bad Muslims (extremists) but they tend to get criticised more and are given more attention.

This bloody worries me.

[The Divine Potato]

I don't get this, honestly. Okay there are bad things going on and in this case the IS but why doesn't the west fix itself first. I think the media has gone too far this time. I find it funny that they call Muslims terrorists. They need to see what terrorist means. They look at punishments like beheading or burning pilots. what about crime? Knife crimes, gun crimes. Isn't that as bad as burning someone? These Western Conspiracies will keep on going and they need to stop butting in and fix themselves first. I understand there are bad Muslims (extremists) but they tend to get criticised more and are given more attention.

This bloody worries me.

Very true of an issue, however, countries still want to be able to call themselves a democracy and get the people's vote for the next term whilst still addressing these issues, it is like energy providers, they keep using fossil fuels despite it's environmental impacts and casually take on renewable energy slowly because once we get that renewable stuff that is suddenly a lot of low energy prices, it is a destructive triangle where we end up the losers.

[Dr Frook]

I think western intervention has screwed the middle east so many times, but this time I think its needed or the middle east will become hell on earth. I only the west didn't see fit to remove the dictators that kept the middle east stable for so many years.

[Flobalob]

I think western intervention has screwed the middle east so many times, but this time I think its needed or the middle east will become hell on earth. I only the west didn't see fit to remove the dictators that kept the middle east stable for so many years.

That's the thing, a good dictator is a lot better than a good democracy. It's just, you barely ever get good dictators, because they get carried away with the power. And then Western Intervention happens. And then you get what we have now.

[Shadowstar1922]

ISIS is not our problem. Let Kurdistan and Jordan take them out.

[Shadowstar1922]

ISIS is not our problem. Let Kurdistan and Jordan take them out.

They killed American citizens.

In retaliation because orchestrated air strikes onthem? Before they sought the end of the Iraqi government, but we kept attacking them and formed a coalition. Eventually they realized we were going to keep attacking them, so they decided to attack us the best they could.

Its sad that those Americans died and I am not excusing their deaths in no way.

[Shadowstar1922]

ISIS is not our problem. Let Kurdistan and Jordan take them out.

They killed American citizens.

In retaliation because orchestrated air strikes onthem? Before they sought the end of the Iraqi government, but we kept attacking them and formed a coalition. Eventually they realized we were going to keep attacking them, so they decided to attack us the best they could.

Its sad that those Americans died and I am not excusing their deaths in no way.

You've just described a peaceful retaliation, but a retaliation nonetheless and you can't have that without a problem in the first place, so yes, IS are a problem for the US, you just chose to deal with it differently.

They are a problem because the US made it their problem. You have the 2nd largest army in NATO, the Turkish Army, more than capable to take out ISIS. You have one of the most elite, powerful, and well coordinated air forces, the Iranian Air Force, to take out ISIS. the 4th largest spender on military, Saudi Arabia, has the capability to take out ISIS. Damn, Jordan is even beating them. Hezbollah too. Why can't they deal with their own regional conflicts? It is not our business to go in there.

America needs to focus on helping its own people. We complain that ISIS kills Americans and its unacceptable? Every 17-26 hours, a person is shot and killed by the local police, yet Americans are conflicted on that. We have so many problems in this nation that we need to fix before we go around running other nations and yelling at them what they need to fix.

As Iraqi soldiers had stated before, they liked working with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard during with Baghdad was threatened and the Iranians came in to help them simply because they understood each other better. They worked better together, because they had more in come than your American soldier.

No troops on the ground. Air strikes makes the locals hate us and want to join any opposition to America, or any other western nation. They don't work, they never did.

[Shadowstar1922]

I don't recall ever denying the existence of ISIS, or the fact that it is a problem, hence me stating I think regional powers should storm in.

And yes, lets continue to air strike! Who cares if it doesn't work at all? Who cares if drones have a 2% success rate at killing people who we want? Who cares if we bomb more schools, nurseries, marketplaces, and homes of innocent people than actually hitting the targets we planned to! Ah yes!

And a ground invasion works all the time, yes!!!

I say it is not our problem because it is not. Iraq is not our problem, Iraq is Iraq's problem. Their civil war is the problem of neighboring countries because instability spreads easily. How is instability going to spread to America??

The only thing I would support for America doing is sending massive humanitarian aid, reconstruction, and food and other resources to win the locals back. It'll show them, "wow, these ISIS guys burned half my village down, stole our money and food, raped out women, forced our men into conscription, all in the name of God! But wait?? Omg the Americans!!! They're giving us all this food, this water, they're rebuilding my homes! Neato! They're much better than ISIS!!!!"

This works much better than air strikes, because the way to beat ISIS is to bomb civilians, you know? We air strike, people hate us, we occupy them, burn their entire country to the ground, and years later they develop into terrorist organizations to fight us and see the end of us because the only version of America they see is our bombs falling on their mother or father or brother or son or whatever. Its time to end that.

What you're fighting for is a simple rinse and repeat. Oppress and exploit, bomb the civilians, 3-6 years later they organize against us, oppress and exploit, bomb the civilians, etc.

I mean come on, is there really an example of American intervention where the invaded is safe and good now? Where they prosper and are efficient? No.

I'm not going to support a movement that is going to send fellow Americans to their death, nor a movement that gives the world even more justification to hate my country.