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ISIS (debate help)

Postby Annakall2013 » 12 Oct 2015, 16:44

Ok so I get a lot of must be hating me for a lot personal reasons. But I need you to put that aside and help me. I wouldn't consider coming back unless I desperately needed help and I do. Been researching for 5hrs straight for my debate for MUN. But can someone please help me and explain ISIS and all the problems there and how turkeys connected??? TYSM
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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Rainshard » 12 Oct 2015, 17:03

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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Lamb » 13 Oct 2015, 00:04

The Islamic state.
A worldwide caliphate(basically the world under sharia law) under Extremists, either you follow what they say or you die. The hatred they have toward Western influence is strong.* Much of this stems from the intervention the United States played in the Middle East.



*This is in regards to the Sunni Extremists, not the Islamic people as a whole.
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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 13 Oct 2015, 10:28

ISIS was created and funded in 2008-2009 as an insurgence militia against the Assad regime. The US planned to destabilize Syria back in 2006 and with a new president meant a reevaluation on past military plans. When the Syrian war broke out, ISIS was quick on the spot and began fighting alongside the Free Syrian Army, a democratic (and rather leftist) militia representing the pleas for democracy and socialism in the 2010-2011 Syrian protests. ISIS, as well as other para-military groups infultrated the ranks of the Free Syrian Army and over the course of 2 years corrupted the military leadership and drove a once secular and social democratic movement to become extremist and oppressive and authroitarian. The only difference between the rebels and the Assad regime is the rebels want state religion and Assad's regime is secular.

ISIS soon broke away from the United States (like all terrorist organizations do that stem from American money). Their leadership became more independent and more ambitious, looking for the Sunni minority being harshly oppressed in the Iraqi "Republic". Since the invasion of 2003, the Shia Muslims were put in charge in Iraq and often discriminated against Iraq's minorities in order to retain power. The Kurds were mostly untouched for their had a powerful government with a powerful military and a powerful army as well as a well educated, mostly moderate, and secular society that was not dumb enough to get involved within the central government (shia muslim government of iraq).

After constant institutionalized discrimination against the Sunni minority in Iraq, ISIS sweeped in and "rescued" them. The Iraqi army, though well equipped with American military gear, had horrible training and mostly ran away. Upon establishing a secured area within Iraq, ISIS began to do the most horrendous and disgusting acts anyone could do. ISIS pillaged artifacts dating back to pre-islamic times. They raped women and sold them into slavery after "breaking" them, they cut off the hands of rumored thieves, they put people into cages and burned them alive, they threw people off buildings, they would shove grenades down peoples' throats, they pillaged all "extra" wealth people had and subjugated them to a harsh economic plan that only generated money, not actual economic development. People who were killed were those who refused to work, homosexuals, "liberal" women (women who refused to wear religious headgear) socialists, communists, religious minorities, christians, Shia muslims, Sunni muslims who weren't extreme enough (ISIS, as well as Saudi Arabia's religious affiliation is Wahhabi)

ISIS, however, is slowly being fought back by the well trained, well supplied, and well organized Kurdish Peshmerga, a military consiting of 30k-60k Kurdish men and women (Kurdistan is one of the only countries in the world where men and women are allowed to fight together on the front lines) that mainly represents the Kurds inside Iraq. though, Iraqi Kurdistan has its connection with the Syrian Kurds, the Iranian Kurds, as well as the PKK (communist military group representing & protecting Kurds within Turkey).

The Peshmerga has had amazing strides against ISIS, as well as its all female communist regiments, since ISIS feels it is a sin to raise a weapon against women. As much as the Kurds are beating ISIS, it is very slow. As of now (and most likely the remaining history of ISIS) the Kurdish Peshmerga is the only armed forces in the Middle East who is a) a worthy opponent of ISIS and b) has been successful in taking back ISIS lands and securing them. Iran has helped here and has also proved succesful, but the main opposition to ISIS despite Western belief is the Kurdish armed forces of the Peshmerga and of recently, the PKK.

If we want to help take down ISIS then we need to arm the Kurds, unite them into one state, and let them have a killing spree of murdering every god damn fascist fundamental pig that ISIS is.

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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Connor » 13 Oct 2015, 20:45

Moved to Serious Discussion, not really meant for General Chat.


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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Flobalob » 13 Oct 2015, 21:18

Shadowstar1922 wrote:(Kurdistan is one of the only countries in the world where men and women are allowed to fight together on the front lines)

Kurdistan isn't a country I'm sorry it bugged me.

But also ISIS is by no means being pushed back. They currently control more than half of Syria and a total area almost equal to the size of Iraq. If you've ever seen Black Hawk Down or, more likely, American Sniper, then you can get an idea of why they are so hard to fight as these are actually pretty realistic films. Now, remove the well-trained, well-equipped NATO soldiers and replace them with untrained militants and rebels, and you've got the rough situation.

They're near-impossible to distinguish from regular civilians, and with as many as 1000 armed militant groups in Syria alone it's hard to know the good from the bad from the ugly. Personally, I see two options; a) go in, fully, full intervention b) carpet-bomb the s*** out of ISIS areas (after evacuating civilians).

ISIS is the richest terror organization in the world, aswell as being well-trained, well-equipped, experienced and ruthless. It's gone too far to be handled by the Iraqi and Syrian governments now and even if every rebel/militant/government group there fought together against them, chances are they'd still be fighting a losing battle. The situation in its current form is a waste of time, money, resources and lives. It's too late to pull out and leave it alone - ISIS will just form their own empire and obviously wont stop there. Something needs to be done.
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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Shadow00 » 13 Oct 2015, 22:42

>Kurdistan.

Yeah sorry its not a country, not yet at least.

Isis is indeed winning that war, since the Kurds are facing even greater problems than ISIS atm
(See: Turkish government), so I'd say they're getting quiiiite rekt atm.

As for isis: US funded terrorist middle eastern group, it is reigning supreme in Syria atm and is quite ambitious.
If I could make a prediction, it will cause some serious geopolitical changes in that area in the next 5 years.

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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Annakall2013 » 14 Oct 2015, 09:48

Thanks everyone but I only saw Rains sadly, but it helped me loads!!!! But I didnt even say anything since the 9th graders intimidated me.... :cry:
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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Toady » 14 Oct 2015, 20:24

Also, arming a group of people with anticipation that they will rise up against a terror group or a group in control has proven successful in that respect. However, the aftermath REALLY doesn't work out. The US has armed the Mujahideen which has turned into Al-Qaeda, for example. People always want more power, and they have some radical views of doing so. So, if you want to arm people to fight ISIS from their own backyard, that's all good and has its benefits.. But, you can't just look at the war's endgame. You can't let history repeat itself. What do you do with all of that extra firepower once the war is done? It would be hard to just take it back, so.. There are always two sides to the same argument and you can't think arming a group of people is the best option because in the end it might not be.
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Re: ISIS (debate help)

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 14 Oct 2015, 21:25

Shadow00 wrote:>Kurdistan.

Yeah sorry its not a country, not yet at least.

Isis is indeed winning that war, since the Kurds are facing even greater problems than ISIS atm
(See: Turkish government), so I'd say they're getting quiiiite rekt atm.

As for isis: US funded terrorist middle eastern group, it is reigning supreme in Syria atm and is quite ambitious.
If I could make a prediction, it will cause some serious geopolitical changes in that area in the next 5 years.


I know Kurdistan isn't a country but it was quicker than writing group of civilians with a government.

Ontop of that, the PKK getting bombed by Turkey does not affect the Peshmerga or the Iraqi Kurdish government since Turkey is buying oil from Iraqi Kurdistan. Each of the 4 regions of Kurdistan have some different kind of autonomous government governing themselves and each have their different political allies, whether those allies admit it or not.

I do have to agree with you that ISIS will cause major geopolitical changes. I highly doubt the Iraqi Republic will still exist by 2025.

@Toady. The Kurds are not Al Queda or other middle eastern people who we've armed and then ran off. They have a completely different culture & history & goals.
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