Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

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Should Hawaii Be an Independent Nation?

Yes! End colonial rule and let the natives run the islands for themselves!
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No! It's already a US state! Leave it be!
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Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 08 Nov 2015, 23:09

"Honolulu, HI — This week, Native Hawaiians initiated an historical election that may grant them sovereignty from the United States and the state of Hawaii, itself, after well over a century of colonial rule. More than 95,000 indigenous people will elect delegates to a constitutional convention, scheduled for this winter, when they will work to create a government that serves and represents Native Hawaiians — the only group of indigenous people in the United States currently restricted from forming their own government.
In the 19th century, European and American missionaries and traders began settling in Hawaii. They quickly formed a political movement and succeeded in transferring power from the king to his cabinet and the legislature. Though they drafted a new constitution limiting the king’s control, they also limited the voting rights of Asians and Native Hawaiians while granting that right to wealthy non-citizens.
When the king died and his sister, Queen Liliuokalani, assumed the throne, she attempted to restore power to the monarchy and return voting rights to those who had been excluded by the white settlers. White businessmen disapproved of her intentions and formed the Committee of Safety, which sought to overthrow the Queen and have Hawaii annexed by the U.S. On January 16, 1893, backed by a militia and 162 U.S. marines, the Committee achieved its goal. The Queen surrendered, and in 1898, Hawaii was annexed by the United States.
The federal government apologized for its colonization of the island and its natives in 1993, but that failed to improve conditions for many indigenous people. According to a government report, Native Hawaiians suffer higher rates of poverty and unemployment than the rest of the population and are underrepresented in business ownership and education. Further, Native Hawaiians “are the racial group with the highest proportion of risk factors leading to illness, disability, and premature death” — a problem compounded by a lack of access to healthcare.
These stark conditions, as well as the state’s imperial history, have led many Native Hawaiians to seek sovereignty from the United States government.
In 2011, Hawaii passed a law to recognize Native Hawaiians as the first people of Hawaii. That bill also established the Native Hawaiian Roll Commission to “assemble a list of qualified and interested Native Hawaiian voters” — a move that gave infrastructure to the current push for self-determination.
Last month, U.S. District Court Judge J. Michael Seabright ruled to allow the vote, which will not be administered by the state. The month-long election will select 40 delegates to attend a constitutional convention in February. Though delegates will not be elected to any public office, they will be instrumental in deciding how Native Hawaiians will rule themselves. At the eight-week convention scheduled for February, the elected delegates will decide whether or not they want to create a new Native Hawaiian government. If a Native government is formed, delegates will also decide whether to establish a “government-to-government” relationship with the U.S. or seek total independence.
One of the members of the commission, Native Hawaiian Robin Danner, expressed optimism for the new vote:
“For the first time in over a hundred years, there will be a definitive voice on Native Hawaiian issues,” she said. “A definitive and recognized government to speak for our culture, our people, our issues, instead of county or state government attempting to have a subcommittee within their agencies or structures to mouthpiece the value of native viewpoints, which has not worked well at all.”
However, the process has not been without opposition. In August, two non-native Hawaiians (sponsored by Judicial Watch) sued to stop the vote, claiming it was racially discriminatory — and therefore unconstitutional — because only Native Hawaiians would be allowed to participate. Two Native Hawaiians also joined the suit to protest that their names were added to voter rolls without their consent. Then, two additional Native Hawaiians joined to voice general opposition to the proposed process of attaining self-determination.
Kellii Akina, one of the plaintiffs, said it was “wrong for the state government to use public resources in order to promote a racially discriminatory process.” She added, “What’s really at stake here is not only the constitution of the United States but also the aloha spirit.”
Nevertheless, the case resulted in Judge Seabright’s decision last month to allow the vote. Judicial Watch has since filed an injunction in an attempt to halt the election.
Criticism also came from an unlikely corner: Walter Ritte, a delegate candidate who dropped out of the race last Wednesday, expressed the concerns of many Natives that the government is too involved in the process. For example, though the election is administered privately, the Office of Hawaiian Affairs provided $2.6 million to fund it — evoking protests from plaintiffs in the August suit. Further, the Native Hawaiian Roll Commission, which has played an instrumental role in the push for the vote, is after all, a government entity.
Witte argued the proposed path to sovereignty would simply facilitate “continuation of the U.S. goal to illegally occupy the Hawaiian Islands.”
“If you’re going to plant a seed that is not pono [righteous],” he said, “then you’re going to harvest something that is not pono.” He called the election “a fake pathway to nationhood and its disillusioned vision of sovereignty,” encouraging voters to remove themselves from the rolls.
Independent nonprofit Na’i Aupuni, which has campaigned in favor of the vote, quickly responded to Ritte’s criticisms that the proposed path to sovereignty was counterproductive:
“Na`i Aupuni encourages Native Hawaiians to voice their opinion on the Na`i Aupuni process because the voters and delegate candidates should hear all voices.
“However, the fact that some Native Hawaiians protest because they are concerned that their desired outcome will not be accepted emphasizes the need for a Native Hawaiian convention. Without a process to vote in leaders who can advocate among each other to find a consensus, the Native Hawaiian community will never proceed forward in unity,” a statement read.
As Danner, who works for the government-created commission, expressed, “Being native in the United States is like living a cycle of grief. Because being native in the United States is to have lost something powerful. First, you’re depressed. Then you’re angry. Then there is some acceptance and then you get to a point where you say, ‘What am I going to do about it?’ As a people I think we are at the stage where we are ready to do something about it.”
These divisions highlight a common conflict in American political life that echoes the “lesser of two evils” dilemma: should Hawaiians wait for a purer movement devoid of government influence to seek sovereignty, delaying the process and extending the suppression of their right to form a government? Or should they seize the state-sponsored opportunity they have been offered for the sake of expediency and resolution?
Assuming Judicial Watch’s appeal fails and the vote continues, it appears Hawaiians are one step closer to determining their fate — whether they like it or not."


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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby The Divine Potato » 08 Nov 2015, 23:14

Inb4 dissolution of the US by 2030
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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Dr Frook » 09 Nov 2015, 09:25

i actually think it will not be in the interest of the local population... seriously, being a small pacific island nation is generally a good road to poverty and corrupt governments.
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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 09 Nov 2015, 12:21

FWG Leader wrote:i actually think it will not be in the interest of the local population... seriously, being a small pacific island nation is generally a good road to poverty and corrupt governments.

hawaii is a very wealthy state, actually. the problem is the natives were never given the opprotunity to create their own businesses or operate the island's economy bc Japanese and American business owners monopolized the means of production.

native hostility towards the US government has increased over the past decades to the point that if you do go to Hawaii, you stay close to the reservations bc going to specific places, the natives will beat you up bc they hate Americans so much. They really want their island back.

But no Hawaii's economy is pretty self-sustaining and there is a well organized movement for independence that most of the Hawaiians are in.
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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Shadow00 » 09 Nov 2015, 18:02

The Divine Potato wrote:Inb4 dissolution of the US by 2030

Top kek, people still think that will happen?
But let me not just stick to words and back this up with an example.
The British Empire was nothing sort of an empire, and only "dissolved" due to the birth of an even worse empire, the American one, during its decline.
So be VERY careful what you wish for.
We all know the world isn't becoming a better place, and if we see some change by 2030 I believe we should be more worried over what it will bring

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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby The Divine Potato » 09 Nov 2015, 19:10

Shadow00 wrote:
The Divine Potato wrote:Inb4 dissolution of the US by 2030

Top kek, people still think that will happen?
But let me not just stick to words and back this up with an example.
The British Empire was nothing sort of an empire, and only "dissolved" due to the birth of an even worse empire, the American one, during its decline.
So be VERY careful what you wish for.
We all know the world isn't becoming a better place, and if we see some change by 2030 I believe we should be more worried over what it will bring


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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 09 Nov 2015, 21:40

Shadow00 wrote:
The Divine Potato wrote:Inb4 dissolution of the US by 2030

Top kek, people still think that will happen?
But let me not just stick to words and back this up with an example.
The British Empire was nothing sort of an empire, and only "dissolved" due to the birth of an even worse empire, the American one, during its decline.
So be VERY careful what you wish for.
We all know the world isn't becoming a better place, and if we see some change by 2030 I believe we should be more worried over what it will bring


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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby The Divine Potato » 09 Nov 2015, 22:13

Shadowstar1922 wrote:
Shadow00 wrote:
The Divine Potato wrote:Inb4 dissolution of the US by 2030

Top kek, people still think that will happen?
But let me not just stick to words and back this up with an example.
The British Empire was nothing sort of an empire, and only "dissolved" due to the birth of an even worse empire, the American one, during its decline.
So be VERY careful what you wish for.
We all know the world isn't becoming a better place, and if we see some change by 2030 I believe we should be more worried over what it will bring


LOL WHAT

who taught u history


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'Nothing sort of an empire' by the by.
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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 09 Nov 2015, 23:11

The Divine Potato wrote:
Shadowstar1922 wrote:
Shadow00 wrote:
The Divine Potato wrote:Inb4 dissolution of the US by 2030

Top kek, people still think that will happen?
But let me not just stick to words and back this up with an example.
The British Empire was nothing sort of an empire, and only "dissolved" due to the birth of an even worse empire, the American one, during its decline.
So be VERY careful what you wish for.
We all know the world isn't becoming a better place, and if we see some change by 2030 I believe we should be more worried over what it will bring


LOL WHAT

who taught u history


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'Nothing sort of an empire' by the by.

i think that screenshot is either from a Victoria II gameplay or EUIV or something bc Britain never owned Gran Colombia or Southern China. i also don't recall Mexico being split into two and the Republic of Sibir existing.

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This is a good picture of the British Empire at the height of it's power in 1917 (shortly before Ireland waged it's successful war for independence)

This picture is all that Britain had during it's entire existence.

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Re: Independent Hawaii? Natives In Hawaii Begin Electing Delegates To Form New Constitution

Postby Shadow00 » 10 Nov 2015, 05:36

Shad lad, taking into account the pic you sent, that actually IS an empire.
It might not be as great as say the Roman empire -oh wait, it WAS- (at least land and people wise,see India and the thirteen colonies used to have an awfully large amount of people).
I mean even Genghis Khan owning like 60% of Asia at most times of his expeditions/conquests, still didn't have this much land.
The British empire is eaaaaasily on the top 5 empires the world has known, mostly because, in the time it started expanding,travelling faster and further was MUCH possible.
Sure, if they were at the BC era they wouldn't even get TO France, let alone lose a war to a country that would surrender not within a hundred years, but within a week some years later.

Anyhow, your picture pretty much shows an empire to me, and a great one. I mean ALL 6 CONTINENTS DUDE.
Including 100% of Oceania.
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