Russian airstrikes killing civilians in Syria

[Dr Frook]

Yay, the Russians are here! Pity they never admit to doing anything wrong. I know the western alliance kills civilians sometimes... but at least they own up to it and allow an investigation. But no, when it comes to Russians killing 200 people, their response is... ooooh thats just western propaganda. We're Russians and we NEVER make a mistake.

pisses me off. They are so flawed and yet they are terrified to admit to making a mistake. oh maybe its not a mistake and they dont care about killing civilians... righttt. That's it.

[Shadow00]

It's not a mistake, its a tactic.
Killing civilians diminishes the opposing army's morale, that's why it's done.
It's the main goal in every war.
Sad but true, sorry.

[Flobalob]

It's not a mistake, its a tactic.
Killing civilians diminishes the opposing army's morale, that's why it's done.
It's the main goal in every war.
Sad but true, sorry.

..this isn't an army? Neither IS, nor the Government nor the rebels' morale would be reduced by killing civilians.

[Shadow00]

It's not a mistake, its a tactic.
Killing civilians diminishes the opposing army's morale, that's why it's done.
It's the main goal in every war.
Sad but true, sorry.

..this isn't an army? Neither IS, nor the Government nor the rebels' morale would be reduced by killing civilians.

If you're actually fighting to protect anything, be you with IS, or govt forces or rebels, you'd lose morale from this.
And I'm certain that none of the groups I mentioned are completely cold to the fact that their country's civilians are dying that they can do nothing at all about.

[The Divine Potato]

pisses me off.

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[Shadowstar1922]

It's not a mistake, its a tactic.
Killing civilians diminishes the opposing army's morale, that's why it's done.
It's the main goal in every war.
Sad but true, sorry.

i'm pretty sure murdering civilians strikes in fear in civilians in general to be submissive once a specific group has established their power in a region or the entire country. Avoiding civilians and fighting wars in a sense that creates a safe space that is seperate for civilians to live somewhat peacefully allows them to think and observe. It allows them to be confident (to a point) and be able to join sides willingly. if you actively bomb schools and hospitals and harass and assault the civilian population it just strikes fear and makes civilians more submissive.

sure it has the possibility of causing extremism, which has been known for a long time. the fact that America keeps drone striking weddings and nursing homes and schools in the middle east just shows that the government wants to keep indirectly making enemies for them.

but on specific moments, like Russia airstriking civilians it's just a message to the people that if Russia and their allies win and establish power and dominance in the country that they need to be submissive.

it's all really messed up.

[Flobalob]

Why is it that neither of you can accept that people make mistakes? Accidents happen. It's human nature. Not every little thing done by a Government or military is deliberate. They can't predict the future; they don't necessarily know the outcome of their actions. They're not all-seeing all-being omnipotent powers. They're run by ordinary people and idk if you've ever tried running a military campaign against an incohesive enemy scattered amongst identical innocent civilians from many, many miles away, but by no means is it easy. Accidents like this are bound to happen and there's simply nothing that can be done about it besides simply not doing at all. You just have to accept that.

[Shadow00]

Why is it that neither of you can accept that people make mistakes? Accidents happen. It's human nature. Not every little thing done by a Government or military is deliberate. They can't predict the future; they don't necessarily know the outcome of their actions. They're not all-seeing all-being omnipotent powers. They're run by ordinary people and idk if you've ever tried running a military campaign against an incohesive enemy scattered amongst identical innocent civilians from many, many miles away, but by no means is it easy. Accidents like this are bound to happen and there's simply nothing that can be done about it besides simply not doing at all. You just have to accept that.

Because this isn't a one time thing.
It's been happening for some time now.
And unless half the Russian and US air force are legit disabled, then I suppose it's a tactic.
Reasonable enough?

[Flobalob]

Why is it that neither of you can accept that people make mistakes? Accidents happen. It's human nature. Not every little thing done by a Government or military is deliberate. They can't predict the future; they don't necessarily know the outcome of their actions. They're not all-seeing all-being omnipotent powers. They're run by ordinary people and idk if you've ever tried running a military campaign against an incohesive enemy scattered amongst identical innocent civilians from many, many miles away, but by no means is it easy. Accidents like this are bound to happen and there's simply nothing that can be done about it besides simply not doing at all. You just have to accept that.

Because this isn't a one time thing.
It's been happening for some time now.
And unless half the Russian and US air force are legit disabled, then I suppose it's a tactic.
Reasonable enough?

No. Think of the fact that roughly 30,000 bombs have been dropped, aimed at ISIS, since this all began. Now think of the number of stories that have emerged of civilians being hit. Easily less than 100. That leaves you with a failure rate of basically 0.003% which is pretty damn good when you consider what it's like dropping a bomb. Picture being a jet pilot, flying 1400mph at 20,000 ft and trying to drop a bomb onto a tiny little building. Try and get that right.

Also, remember that most air forces besides the RAF use dropped bombs rather than guided missiles. This is why you rarely hear of UK air strikes hitting civilian targets, because we use Paveway-IV laser-guided bombs which make it very hard to miss the target. The US and Russia.. yeah, they just drop them and hope they hit. And they mainly do. Quite frankly, you should be impressed if anything.

[Shadow00]

Why is it that neither of you can accept that people make mistakes? Accidents happen. It's human nature. Not every little thing done by a Government or military is deliberate. They can't predict the future; they don't necessarily know the outcome of their actions. They're not all-seeing all-being omnipotent powers. They're run by ordinary people and idk if you've ever tried running a military campaign against an incohesive enemy scattered amongst identical innocent civilians from many, many miles away, but by no means is it easy. Accidents like this are bound to happen and there's simply nothing that can be done about it besides simply not doing at all. You just have to accept that.

Because this isn't a one time thing.
It's been happening for some time now.
And unless half the Russian and US air force are legit disabled, then I suppose it's a tactic.
Reasonable enough?

No. Think of the fact that roughly 30,000 bombs have been dropped, aimed at ISIS, since this all began. Now think of the number of stories that have emerged of civilians being hit. Easily less than 100. That leaves you with a failure rate of basically 0.003% which is pretty damn good when you consider what it's like dropping a bomb. Picture being a jet pilot, flying 1400mph at 20,000 ft and trying to drop a bomb onto a tiny little building. Try and get that right.

Also, remember that most air forces besides the RAF use dropped bombs rather than guided missiles. This is why you rarely hear of UK air strikes hitting civilian targets, because we use Paveway-IV laser-guided bombs which make it very hard to miss the target. The US and Russia.. yeah, they just drop them and hope they hit. And they mainly do. Quite frankly, you should be impressed if anything.

Actually senor flob, a pilot has to do pretty much NOTHING.
Although it might seem complex, im certain, wind resistance, speed, wind velocity and direction, aswell as height are all calculatef by a computer far more potent than your average joe, who only has a timer pretty much ahead of him and only needs to press the red button when that hits 0.
I dont argue, most military men arent particularly smart. But that doesnt seem too hard even if that's the case dont you think?

Not impressed really.

Although you should consider the numbers. 30,000 bombs.
Even if HALF of them hit ISIS bases, or even stakeouts or whatever,you should expect them to do something, no?
Weeeeell, ill just go ahead and keep suggesting ISIS isnt the target, do let me know when the evidence actually starts to make sense to ya.

Just because you have around 100 CONFIRMED stories of people being hit, doesnt mean youve only hit 100 people btw.
Although i suppose the govt. covering up the civilian casualties they cause in the middle east on purpose doesnt really sound like something the US would do, certainly.