10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Flobalob » 19 Aug 2013, 11:06

Declare a moratorium on drone strikes: - No, just no. The amount of terrorists drone strikes kill is, well, a lot. They're used to wipe out insurgents with AA rocket rails that would otherwise be used to shoot down overhead planes.

Close the US drone base in Saudi Arabia: - All that would do is cost more money by having to fire drones further away and fly them in.

Free the 86 Guantanamo prisoners cleared for release: - And be accused by 86 people of torturing prisoners? Hell no! Anyway, generally, if you've been sent to Guantanamo Bay, you've been sent there for a reason.

Apologize and compensate innocent victims: - That's easier said than done. You can't guarantee they're innocent and you can't find them or their families.

Go for the “zero option” in Afghanistan: - Personally, I think it's a bad idea. The Afghan forces will probably be quickly overrun and Afghanistan will be under Taliban control, just like Northern Mali.

Sit down and talk: - I agree with that to some extent. If it's not getting anywhere after a year, go back to the military approach. But turn up to the last meeting with SEALs disguised as US officials. Wouldn't want to miss that opportunity.

Stop supporting dictatorships and repressive militaries: - Okay, that I agree with. Go to the other end of the scale and put no-fly zones over them, for example.

Support non-violent democracy movements: - I'm not sure where I stand on that, come back to me.

Adhere to the international rule of law: - It does. Just because one Pew poll says it should stop drone strikes doesn't mean it will.

Spend foreign aid money on education, healthcare and lifting people out of poverty: - That probably will happen when they withdraw from Afghanistan.
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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 19 Aug 2013, 12:16

Flobalob wrote:Declare a moratorium on drone strikes: - No, just no. The amount of terrorists drone strikes kill is, well, a lot. They're used to wipe out insurgents with AA rocket rails that would otherwise be used to shoot down overhead planes.
A majority of drone strike bombings has killed more innocent citizens in the countries rather than terrorists. We even do the double tab bombing method, is when we'll drop a bomb, and when other people come to help those who've been hit, we strike again and end up killing more people. And, the succession rate of killing terrorists that America actually aimed to get, is only 2%. There was an air strike in Iraq where they hit a school bus, killing 23 kids and the bus driver. In Yemen, America bombed a day care center killing 22 children, 13 women, and I believe 2 men. Tell me, how is that humane? Drone Strikes, comparing all of their bombings together, they're extremely inefficient. All it does is make everyone in the Middle East hate America and Western powers even more.

Close the US drone base in Saudi Arabia: - All that would do is cost more money by having to fire drones further away and fly them in.
One of the main reasons why terrorist organizations kept hitting and bombing and raiding was because the Untied States owned territory in the Holy Land. If we closed that down, it'll ease tensions.

Free the 86 Guantanamo prisoners cleared for release: - And be accused by 86 people of torturing prisoners? Hell no! Anyway, generally, if you've been sent to Guantanamo Bay, you've been sent there for a reason.
The 86 prisoners were already cleared as innocent in the eye of the US Law and they're free to go. Just because you've been charged with a crime, and you're deemed innocent, doesn't mean you can then throw or keep them in a prison saying, "Well, if you've been charged with it, there's a reason why you are." Flob, that's not how any law system works at all. That is completely illogical and immoral and inhumane. They were deemed innocent, release them. America has no right keeping them against their will.
Apologize and compensate innocent victims: - That's easier said than done. You can't guarantee they're innocent and you can't find them or their families.
Simple research in the area, like talking to locals and such could help find innocent citizens who have lost their family members in drone strikes and such. And if you can't find them because the Drone Strikes killed them all, use the money to build some schools, hospitals, work places so the people can be happy and we can show them that we want to help.

Go for the “zero option” in Afghanistan: - Personally, I think it's a bad idea. The Afghan forces will probably be quickly overrun and Afghanistan will be under Taliban control, just like Northern Mali.
We're only in Afghanistan because of the oil, not because America cares for every country's right to sovereignty and a claim to their lands. We have no right invading a country and causing mass destruction just to secure our profits. Yes, we have a degree to taking arms and working on preventing a government, such as the Taliban, taking over and opressing people and such, but when you create a puppet government and basically choose all the leaders, that's not right. We only went in Afghanistan to secure the oil for America and America and her "allies".

Sit down and talk: - I agree with that to some extent. If it's not getting anywhere after a year, go back to the military approach. But turn up to the last meeting with SEALs disguised as US officials. Wouldn't want to miss that opportunity.
Only a year? We tried the military approach to everything since 1945, and that made America probably the most hated nation in the world. I think more than a year would be acceptable of talking and negotiating and compromising.

Stop supporting dictatorships and repressive militaries: - Okay, that I agree with. Go to the other end of the scale and put no-fly zones over them, for example.

Support non-violent democracy movements: - I'm not sure where I stand on that, come back to me.
Democracy isn't for everyone. You do know that. You should let the people get what kind of government they want, and if they want a new one, the people will choose by protesting and possibly through revolutions. Supporting non-violent Democracy movements, for example, would be letting Iran keep their democracy in 1951-1953. But, because the Democracy in Iran was giving thier people rights and economic potentials such as building schools and hospitals and corporations, that messed with the World Power's oil income, like the UK and America and they supressed it and staged a terorrist coup to bring back the opressive Monarchy. When Brahaim, the island off of Suadi Arabia, when a strong democracy movement was going there, Saudi Arabai rolled in their tanks and blew it up. We have to let the people of the country decide which kind of government they like. Not everyone likes democracy, and it most certainly isn't the only kind of government that can grant rights to their people.

Adhere to the international rule of law: - It does. Just because one Pew poll says it should stop drone strikes doesn't mean it will.

Spend foreign aid money on education, healthcare and lifting people out of poverty: - That probably will happen when they withdraw from Afghanistan.
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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Shadow00 » 20 Aug 2013, 17:34

I feel like some of you guys are missing the point.
What the US is doing, is causing stirring between countries that interest her so that
A) people that want to live peacefully leave these countries and America has a reason to attack them, as those that remain are usually extremists.
B) The US fuels revolutions against dictators that are far-right winged (after placing them in power positions) as
• They are most likely to get in their way and don't negotiate
• They aren't exactly liked as they force dictatorships.
C) Lastly. This is NOT a rainbow field with unicorns flying around.
This is earth. And what has happened to earth during its history?
Wars. They used to happen at all times and will continue to happen.
Be that under the name of Religion, Money, Power, Freedom, Revenge, Democracy or even Oppression. They are all wars and they will NOT stop.
The US know that, and that's how they are playing.
They won't stop attacking the middle east. Hell, they didn't stop wars in the 60s, let alone now that most people don't even care.

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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Flobalob » 20 Aug 2013, 22:45

Declare a moratorium on drone strikes: - No, just no. The amount of terrorists drone strikes kill is, well, a lot. They're used to wipe out insurgents with AA rocket rails that would otherwise be used to shoot down overhead planes.
A majority of drone strike bombings has killed more innocent citizens in the countries rather than terrorists. We even do the double tab bombing method, is when we'll drop a bomb, and when other people come to help those who've been hit, we strike again and end up killing more people. And, the succession rate of killing terrorists that America actually aimed to get, is only 2%. There was an air strike in Iraq where they hit a school bus, killing 23 kids and the bus driver. In Yemen, America bombed a day care center killing 22 children, 13 women, and I believe 2 men. Tell me, how is that humane? Drone Strikes, comparing all of their bombings together, they're extremely inefficient. All it does is make everyone in the Middle East hate America and Western powers even more.
A CIA drone strike killed Al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, chief propagandist Samir Khan and the terror organization's top bombmaker Ibrahim al-Asiri.

Close the US drone base in Saudi Arabia: - All that would do is cost more money by having to fire drones further away and fly them in.
One of the main reasons why terrorist organizations kept hitting and bombing and raiding was because the United States owned territory in the Holy Land. If we closed that down, it'll ease tensions.
One of the main reasons they opened that base is to kill terrorists.

Free the 86 Guantanamo prisoners cleared for release: - And be accused by 86 people of torturing prisoners? Hell no! Anyway, generally, if you've been sent to Guantanamo Bay, you've been sent there for a reason.
The 86 prisoners were already cleared as innocent in the eye of the US Law and they're free to go. Just because you've been charged with a crime, and you're deemed innocent, doesn't mean you can then throw or keep them in a prison saying, "Well, if you've been charged with it, there's a reason why you are." Flob, that's not how any law system works at all. That is completely illogical and immoral and inhumane. They were deemed innocent, release them. America has no right keeping them against their will.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying, what would you do? You've tortured 86 people that you thought were terrorists but, as far as you are now aware, turned out not to be terrorists. Do you release them and have 99% chance of being severely sanctioned for breaching various laws, or keep them, when technically, you're allowed to?

Apologize and compensate innocent victims: - That's easier said than done. You can't guarantee they're innocent and you can't find them or their families.
Simple research in the area, like talking to locals and such could help find innocent citizens who have lost their family members in drone strikes and such. And if you can't find them because the Drone Strikes killed them all, use the money to build some schools, hospitals, work places so the people can be happy and we can show them that we want to help.
It's easy for people to lie.

Go for the “zero option” in Afghanistan: - Personally, I think it's a bad idea. The Afghan forces will probably be quickly overrun and Afghanistan will be under Taliban control, just like Northern Mali.
We're only in Afghanistan because of the oil, not because America cares for every country's right to sovereignty and a claim to their lands. We have no right invading a country and causing mass destruction just to secure our profits. Yes, we have a degree to taking arms and working on preventing a government, such as the Taliban, taking over and opressing people and such, but when you create a puppet government and basically choose all the leaders, that's not right. We only went in Afghanistan to secure the oil for America and America and her "allies".
You really think we don't care about the Taliban controlling Afghanistan and not stopping there? Okay, whateeeeever you say Shad.

Sit down and talk: - I agree with that to some extent. If it's not getting anywhere after a year, go back to the military approach. But turn up to the last meeting with SEALs disguised as US officials. Wouldn't want to miss that opportunity.
Only a year? We tried the military approach to everything since 1945, and that made America probably the most hated nation in the world. I think more than a year would be acceptable of talking and negotiating and compromising.
How long does it take to talk?

Stop supporting dictatorships and repressive militaries: - Okay, that I agree with. Go to the other end of the scale and put no-fly zones over them, for example.

Support non-violent democracy movements: - I'm not sure where I stand on that, come back to me.
Democracy isn't for everyone. You do know that. You should let the people get what kind of government they want, and if they want a new one, the people will choose by protesting and possibly through revolutions. Supporting non-violent Democracy movements, for example, would be letting Iran keep their democracy in 1951-1953. But, because the Democracy in Iran was giving thier people rights and economic potentials such as building schools and hospitals and corporations, that messed with the World Power's oil income, like the UK and America and they supressed it and staged a terorrist coup to bring back the opressive Monarchy. When Brahaim, the island off of Suadi Arabia, when a strong democracy movement was going there, Saudi Arabai rolled in their tanks and blew it up. We have to let the people of the country decide which kind of government they like. Not everyone likes democracy, and it most certainly isn't the only kind of government that can grant rights to their people.
If you try and change one country to one form of government, everyone who is against that form of government, and all the countries who don't have that form of government aren't going to like you.

Adhere to the international rule of law: - It does. Just because one Pew poll says it should stop drone strikes doesn't mean it will.

Spend foreign aid money on education, healthcare and lifting people out of poverty: - That probably will happen when they withdraw from Afghanistan.
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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Excalibur » 21 Aug 2013, 01:02

The only way to reduce the threat of terrorist attacks on America is for America to stop putting itself in the business of other countries, and to strengthen the defenses of our great country.
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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby dankness75 » 21 Aug 2013, 01:03

It is possible for a country to attack itself. portray to the media that "Oh, this certain country attacked us" so they manipulate people minds so they automatically think that oh, this country is bad. It is one way to blame. Media make it effective.


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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Excalibur » 21 Aug 2013, 01:29

dankness75 wrote:It is possible for a country to attack itself. portray to the media that "Oh, this certain country attacked us" so they manipulate people minds so they automatically think that oh, this country is bad. It is one way to blame. Media make it effective.


it is, but America would'nt take the lives of its citizens.
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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Shadow00 » 21 Aug 2013, 09:57

Excalibur wrote:
dankness75 wrote:It is possible for a country to attack itself. portray to the media that "Oh, this certain country attacked us" so they manipulate people minds so they automatically think that oh, this country is bad. It is one way to blame. Media make it effective.


it is, but America would'nt take the lives of its citizens.

Are you really really sure about that?

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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 21 Aug 2013, 12:13

Excalibur wrote:
dankness75 wrote:It is possible for a country to attack itself. portray to the media that "Oh, this certain country attacked us" so they manipulate people minds so they automatically think that oh, this country is bad. It is one way to blame. Media make it effective.


it is, but America would'nt take the lives of its citizens.

Upon Hitler coming to power, he staged numerous "terrorist" attacks to gain popular support to be elected in power. He blamed it on whoever he wanted to, and he kept doing it until he had absolute power.

America has killed a lot of their own citizens in drone strikes, people in the Middle East who are tourists, or journalists, or people who have registered as US Citizens, and when they do drone strikes, they don't really care who the people are. If they think they're doing something bad, they'll strike.

Considering the United States has been trying to dominate the world ever since the USSR fell, and China was in turmoil over the fight between Democracy vs. Communism, and all of Europe was focusing on rebuilding their countries(France, Germany, Italy, UK) the country took an "opportunity of a life time" and rose to power as #1. And since America has had that title for a very long time, they would do whatever it takes to keep that status. With things like trying to overthrow over 50 foreign governments since 1945, the poor response to 9-11 and then using it to keep the pro-war Conservative agenda in place, trying to use the Boston Bombing as an excuse to bully the Bolivian President upon returning from Russia, breaking International laws and basically saying, "Hey we got bombed a week ago, so let us push you around because we can."

Killing US citizens to the US Government, is not even labeled as "going too far" to the Establishment.
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Re: 10 Ways to Reduce the Threat of Terrorist Attacks on America

Postby paladin » 24 Aug 2013, 00:23

Why Terrorism Works, a Flowchart by Pally Wally.

9/11 -> Fear -> Terrorists see it works -> More attacks -> More fear -> Boston Marathon -> Thrown up in headlines

Pretty much, if a terrorist attack happens, what we SHOULD do is be like "LOLOLOL TERRORISTS CANT KILL PEOPLE LOLOLOL" and pretty much ignore whatever they do. They'll see that they're not accomplishing anything with their "For Jihad ; KABLOOIE ;"s and their threats, so they'll give up. They're like Internet Trolls that like blowing things up.
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