Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

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Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 17 Dec 2014, 03:48



"What I can't understand is 1400 years later, in the case of the New Testament 2,000 years, Old Testament more than 2500 years later, we would be listening to people who had no Earthly idea how things worked. They thought the stars were little holes that God had pricked into heaven so you could see the light of heaven, they didn't know anything! There were almost, literally, cavemen! they made up these stories so that they would have something to believe and something to make sense of the world because they didn't have science and they didn't have facts, they didn't have the knowledge that we have today, and we have those things and we know that they're not pinholes in the skies that brings us the light of heaven, we know that they are stars and galaxies and universes, we knows these things yet people still cling on to this madness, which leads to this result." ~Cenk Uygur

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Re: Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

Postby Annakall2013 » 17 Dec 2014, 07:57

Whats up witb all the terrorist attacks latly???
There was one in sydney on Monday
And one in Ghent on Monday too
XP since the one in ghent was on the same day as labour force strike my parents freaked out XP
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Postby Shadowstar1922 » 17 Dec 2014, 19:52

Annakall2013 wrote:Whats up witb all the terrorist attacks latly???
There was one in sydney on Monday
And one in Ghent on Monday too
XP since the one in ghent was on the same day as labour force strike my parents freaked out XP

there have been terrorist attacks since the 1900's, its not a recent thing.
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Postby Dr Frook » 17 Dec 2014, 21:24

these people have a warped sense of religion... their religion... and are filled with hate and stupidity and the need to force their beliefs on others. Truly sad and I hope one day humanity will grow beyond such actions.
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Re: Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 17 Dec 2014, 21:34

Hatty wrote:
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"What I can't understand is 1400 years later, in the case of the New Testament 2,000 years, Old Testament more than 2500 years later, we would be listening to people who had no Earthly idea how things worked. They thought the stars were little holes that God had pricked into heaven so you could see the light of heaven, they didn't know anything! There were almost, literally, cavemen! they made up these stories so that they would have something to believe and something to make sense of the world because they didn't have science and they didn't have facts, they didn't have the knowledge that we have today, and we have those things and we know that they're not pinholes in the skies that brings us the light of heaven, we know that they are stars and galaxies and universes, we knows these things yet people still cling on to this madness, which leads to this result." ~Cenk Uygur

there is so much evil in the world.


Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be blaming religion for all the evil in the world.



i don't recall ever saying that.
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Postby Shadowstar1922 » 17 Dec 2014, 23:07

Hatty wrote:
Shadowstar1922 wrote:
Hatty wrote:
Shadowstar1922 wrote:

"What I can't understand is 1400 years later, in the case of the New Testament 2,000 years, Old Testament more than 2500 years later, we would be listening to people who had no Earthly idea how things worked. They thought the stars were little holes that God had pricked into heaven so you could see the light of heaven, they didn't know anything! There were almost, literally, cavemen! they made up these stories so that they would have something to believe and something to make sense of the world because they didn't have science and they didn't have facts, they didn't have the knowledge that we have today, and we have those things and we know that they're not pinholes in the skies that brings us the light of heaven, we know that they are stars and galaxies and universes, we knows these things yet people still cling on to this madness, which leads to this result." ~Cenk Uygur

there is so much evil in the world.


Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be blaming religion for all the evil in the world.



i don't recall ever saying that.


I didn't say you did, I said you seem to be blaming going by the quote you have inserted.


well in this case, yeah, religion is to blame for its extremist branches that can be and have been produced. religion sprouts a huge portion of evil and oppression in history. not all of it, but a big part.
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Re: Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 18 Dec 2014, 00:35

The Taliban have been known to be religious extremists ever since their creation. They are just one of the many different interpretations of the Quran and Islamic principles in the world. And besides this, no matter what religion, a huge portion of wars, violence, murder, crime, oppression, are sprouted from religious beliefs, whether it be principles within one or conflict between two or more, that is a simple reality. You can't argue against that. Religion stands with greed and lust of power and wrath, as well as imperialism in terms of evil in the world,and religion also stands with love and compassion and understanding in all the good in the world.

Now, i just want to make this clear. If you do help the homeless in the name of Christianity, or Islam, or whatever, you are a representative of your religion, you have interpreted whatever verse you reference to do your deeds and you, as well as other people who do the same are clear representatives of that religion. Now, if someone else shoots up a bunch of people, or maybe they're a leader of a government and they pass laws restricting freedoms of a minority, and they referenced whatever verse they looked to for guidance or justification, they are also a representative of that religion. Just because its bad and it shows an ugly truth to religion, doesn't mean you can just say, "oh i denounce those people they don't represent the religion blah blah blah" when in fact they do, its just the ugly side. it is a hard reality that i know most people don't want to accept but it is there, and it is alive and well.
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Re: Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

Postby Shadowstar1922 » 18 Dec 2014, 01:08

Hatty wrote:
Shadowstar1922 wrote:The Taliban have been known to be religious extremists ever since their creation. They are just one of the many different interpretations of the Quran and Islamic principles in the world. And besides this, no matter what religion, a huge portion of wars, violence, murder, crime, oppression, are sprouted from religious beliefs, whether it be principles within one or conflict between two or more, that is a simple reality. You can't argue against that. Religion stands with greed and lust of power and wrath, as well as imperialism in terms of evil in the world,and religion also stands with love and compassion and understanding in all the good in the world.

Now, i just want to make this clear. If you do help the homeless in the name of Christianity, or Islam, or whatever, you are a representative of your religion, you have interpreted whatever verse you reference to do your deeds and you, as well as other people who do the same are clear representatives of that religion. Now, if someone else shoots up a bunch of people, or maybe they're a leader of a government and they pass laws restricting freedoms of a minority, and they referenced whatever verse they looked to for guidance or justification, they are also a representative of that religion. Just because its bad and it shows an ugly truth to religion, doesn't mean you can just say, "oh i denounce those people they don't represent the religion blah blah blah" when in fact they do, its just the ugly side. it is a hard reality that i know most people don't want to accept but it is there, and it is alive and well.


As a neutral person in this case, I have to disagree.
if you were neutral you wouldn't be disagreeing,nor agreeing.
As far as I know, the main religions denounce murder. Except, of course, in terms of war.
and in exceptions to non-believers and those who do things these books say no to. Do I really need to give bible and quran and torah versus telling people to kill those who eat shellfish, do not believe in God, have sex with members of the same sex, or wear clothes of more than two different fabrics?
I agree that religion has been the cause of many wars but in this particular situation I fail to see where the war element fits.
The Taliban disagrees with the Pakistani Republic's policy of allowing girls above the age of 10 to go to school and they disagree with the movement of gender and sex equality in Pakistan, especially towards transgendered and women. They are not fond of women educating themselves and wish to end Pakistan's open education policies. These ideas sprout from Islamic teachings that go against education and free thought. These are the elements that fit.
Killing innocent people is not war, not excusable, and not condoned.
Again, I don't mind picking up those books and finding those versus for you.
Religion is a moral code in essence, and people's morals do vary, but some morals like not condoning murder are consistent with most if not all religions, so I don't think these people are acting upon that religions beliefs-they've twisted it out of context to fit as an excuse for their own actions.
The universal concept of terrorist organizations throughout history is twist religious teachings to fit their own agenda. That is what the Taliban, ISIS, Al Quada, Al Nursa, etc do.
These people are primitive, sick minded and downright disgusting for what they've done, but it's their own twisted ideologies exclusive to them that are the cause, not a religion.
And what were the founders and early governments of these religions? Weren't they also primitive, with draconian laws and absurd theories and backwards economics? weren't their actions of cutting off liars or thieves' hands wrong, or selling young girls as wives, or burning people at the stake disgusting and sick minded?
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Re: Taliban Shoots and Kills 141 Students in Pakistan

Postby Boxorino » 18 Dec 2014, 01:13

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Teenager Dawood Ibrahim failed to wake up for school and missed deadly Taliban assault

“Dawood is lucky. He missed school today because we attended a wedding last night, and he overslept,” Dawood’s brother, Sufyan, told the newspaper. “It was fate.”

“Dawood isn’t talking to anyone, he isn’t talking at all,” his brother added. “He is into judo and is a tough child but he is showing no emotion at all right now. He just attended funerals the entire day. No one from his class survived. Every single one of them was killed.”
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that was dramatic. still ready 2 die tho!


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