Statue of liberty inspired by Arab woman

[Flobalob]

I never knew. But of course any History which did not involve British success was not taught at school for me *grumble grumble*

There's a period of history without British success?

the atrocities committed against India, China, Africa, and the Americas as prime examples of British history not succeeding. your empire is the worst in history for how harshly it has exploited the world and its people to feed an industrial superpower that brought devastation world wide.

it was a joke but okay your country wouldn't exist without it and neither would you but w/e

The British empire built infrastructure and government in all those countries which also would not be where they are now without it. It connected the farthest corners of the world and made unprecedented advances in economics, naval science, communication, agriculture, science, education, language, medicine, trade and navigation among many, many other things.

Yes, many people died as a result of it. However, many people were also saved because of it. Ultimately, the British empire ended the Trans-atlantic slave trade, was the main allied nation fighting in both world wars and ended countless native wars in tribal locations. Rebellions as a result of resistance to dramatic change in rule, way of life and culture. YES, many people died but you can't lump it all on the British.

I'm not saying the British Empire was perfect, but by no means was it completely terrible as you seem to think. Industrial Revolution, sucka.

lol just bc you existed and created a portion of my country doesn't mean anything.

Modern day society wouldn't have existed if Nazi Germany didn't rise to power and drove America to become a super power and essentially cause the state of the world today, affecting your ancestors' choices and you probably wouldn't have been born either. Any slight change of history drastically changes the chance of so many people existing.

should we all be indebt to Nazi Germany now? And thank Nazi Germany for existing?? hell no.

what a horrible concept to excuse the damage Britain has done to this world.

and btw, Potato, starting the Industrial Revolution, the event in history that is now causing Earth to decay is not something you should be proud of lmao

Focus more on the fact that the entire USA wouldn't exact more than the fact that you wouldn't exist. The USA is a lot more significant than you.

America would be a super power regardless of Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany did not cause the state of the world today Jesus Christ if you actually believe that I don't even-

If Nazi Germany hadn't existed, there would simply be a slightly changed geographic design of the world, much less advanced armaments across the globe (not to mention atomic bombs would likely have been invented many, many years later. If at all.) and computers would be ever so slightly less advanced. Oh, and we might not have jerry cans or methadone. But hey, if there hadn't been a need to devote so much time and money towards military advances due to Nazi Germany then we'd probably be a lot more advanced in the sciences, medicine and exploration and much less advanced in military. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

If the British Empire hadn't existed on the other hand, we'd probably be sitting in the equivalent of the mid-18th century right now. There would be very few African and south east Asian countries (instead, there would likely be a bunch of tribes fighting it out for a scrap of territory). Australia and the US would barely be populated. Just about every country in the Commonwealth would have little governance. Plague and disease would be rife due to the lack of medicine. Ships would probably be just about advancing into being steel-built. Steam power would be brand new stuff. Slavery, poverty.. No one would be able to communicate. Those "atrocities" would not have been committed, okay, but the barbaric actions of the native tribes there living as nomads would be just as bad, if not worse.

You seem to think Queen Victoria used to just turn around every now and then and go "you know what, kill thousands of innocent people... THERE!". No. Funnily enough, rebellions happen when you take control of a country and change their entire way of life. There were no such things as riot shields, tear gas and tasers back then.

[Shadow00]

Well SOMEONE hasn't read the man in the high castle.
Anyhow, you seem to think its the Brits' accomplishment for creating the USA.
you seem to forget it's their inability to actually keep possession of a colony that created the USA.

[Flobalob]

Well SOMEONE hasn't read the man in the high castle.
Anyhow, you seem to think its the Brits' accomplishment for creating the USA.
you seem to forget it's their inability to actually keep possession of a colony that created the USA.

The man in the high castle concerns an alternative ending to WW2 where the Axis powers win, so it's not relevant.

The accomplishment is not creating the USA. The accomplishment is colonizing the USA and giving it the foundations of a world superpower.

In reality, holding on to it for as long as they did is in itself an accomplishment. In the 1700s, commanding an army across the Atlantic ocean is kind of hard as you essentially end up giving orders that are two months old by the time they get there. This delay applies to all communication, equipment, supplies, munitions and troops, too. Then there's the problem of responding appropriately to uprisings across an Empire - In the US alone, you can't just blanket your troops across the whole colony because you simply don't have enough. That's without the issue of all the other colonies in an Empire upon which "the sun never sets". Policing and controlling all of these is practically impossible, particularly in a revolutionary war where there is no cohesive, organised force fighting against you. Rather, rebellions spring up across a colony whose terrain you are not remotely familiar with and you have to react. All this comes a few years after the Seven Years War which pretty much formed the basis of the British Empire, so of course the Empire wasn't exactly in fighting condition. Not to mention, the French and Spanish were still salty from losing the Seven Years War and decided to support the American Revolutionaries. Plus the Dutch decided they wanted a piece of that action.

I can literally talk about military history all day I love it.

[The Divine Potato]

The accomplishment is not creating the USA. The accomplishment is colonizing the USA and giving it the foundations of a world superpower.

To name off a few people Gave this foundation from specifically my own country:

Andrew Carnegie: Scottish-born Owner of Carnegie steel company and worldwide known philanthropist who amounted a fortune of over $450,000,000.
Andrew Fisher: Scot prime minister of Australia thrice and recounted as Australia's most successful politician.
John Alexander Macdonald: First prime minister of Canada who led the country to independence and then prosperity.
John MacArthur: Pioneer of the wool industry, the man who introduced merino sheep to Australia which led to the sheep farming boom there.
Sandford Flemming and George Stephen: 1st Baron Mount Stephen: The chief engineer and surveyor and the finance behind the creation of the Canadian Pacific railway.
Murdo Mackenzie: Owner of the Matador Land and Cattle co, which at the time held over 600,000 hectares to it's ownership.
James Broun-Ramsay, 1st Marquess of Dalhousie: Governor General of India and developer of the railway, agricultural and educational system, and yes, the implementer of the doctrine of lapse before you attack that one.


Each of these men from my country alone, not even from England built these countries, the universities of Queensland, Dalhousie, Calcutta were all founded by Scots, Yosemite national park and founded by 'The father of the conservation movement' John Muir, Britain may have shown perhaps the worst treatment of the world's peoples in history, but we were the first to turn over a new leaf from it. To say these countries were built brick by brick in the first place on the success of the British Empire is an understatement, America still has the KKK, India has a space program and about half a billion people below the poverty line, and Australia has the single most strict immigration policy I have heard of.

[Flobalob]

Your points are so wrong that a Scotsman and an Englishman are agreeing.