Gay Marriage

[Munter]

Oh and I'm afraid I could not condone incestuous relationships. By this I mean sexual relationships between those closely biologically related. Brothers and sisters, or parents and siblings. Step-brothers and sisters however is fine, cause you're not actually related by blood.

[Vasilli]

Also, I think Vassili's point is that no one in America (or very few at least) Would advocate the type of reigime that was in place under Nazi Germany, and believe that to surpress people for being different is plain wrong.
I think many of those against gay marriage would agree to this.
Vassilli makes the claim that they say they are against suppression, but in turn advocate it in the form of wanting to deny homosexuals the right to marry.

Am I right, Vassili?

yes, you are right, its also the same with alot of religions, they talk about how eveyrone should be treated fairly, and how the god they worship loved everyone, but then when it comes to homosexuality they do not like it, and believe homosexuals should not be treated fairly

[Lightning Orb]

yeah, I thought that was what you meant, Vasilli.
I remmember reading a book about these tribal people who shunned away all the bisexuals in there Village.
It was so sad.

[Phantom]

on the incest remark munter made, I must respond that there would be a wrongdoing to another party. That is a biological fact, the offspring are weaker and have very high chances of faults in the genetic code, so that is why it has been forbidden by law in most societies.
(In this moral code it is to protect the quality of life of future life)

Again, I am completely against incest as well.

But, to make a point, I thought two individuals do not get together simply to reproduce anymore. We see it amongst gays, as they can not reproduce. They simply get together because they enjoy each others companionship. Am I right? What if incests do not want to reproduce? If that's the case, then the biological factor does not apply, and therefore the "golden rule" and the "harm principle" does not apply.

I feel terrible defending them, for I am strictly against incest, not only because of the genetic biological harm it can cause, but also for other reasons.

Even if there were no biological harm, its still doesn't make it right. I found it to be morally wrong. The fact that something doesn't cause harm to others doesn't mean it should be allowed.

So I ask this question, why is it that you won't accept incests, but yet you support gays?

Not that I want you to support incests, I don't. Please don't support them. I only ask this question to make a point. If there is no harm done in incests, what is the difference between gays and incest?

To me, they are of equal immorality. They are just plain nasty, disgusting, and a disgrace to the human race. They contradict the laws of nature.

[Phantom]

And I do believe that most of the people will agree that incest is something that isn't to be done really.

You know, people probably said the same thing about gays 20 years ago, but look at the situation now.

So maybe, God forbids, 20 years from now they will be openly accepting incest, then what would your opinion be. Would you jump on the band-wagon and accept them as well, or would you stick to your opinion?

I strongly agree with your statement, and I also feel the same way towards gays.

[Hitokiri]

I will prove in the following that being gay is ok and incest is against nature.

If religion forbids something we all should go back to a medieval society, heck why not bring the feudal system back?

Religion and law based on a society wishes are two separate things.

I really don't care much for religion, and I especially don't care much for interpretations on a mostly philosophical work that has been written down by men, translated and handwritten from hebrew to greek to latin by poor translators (and adapted throughout the ages by the vatican).

And what laws there might be in that book is very interesting historically.
They had to write it down somewhere and what impression it must make to say that those are god's laws to simple townfolk and if you don't do that, you'll be sent to hell.
(Hamurabi's law of "an eye for an eye" is about the oldest law, should we still apply this law? or is it outdated?)

So perhaps we can now surpass what god says, or rather what several people who claim to do his work interpret from it to better suit their own personal agenda/fear.


Right, back to the law and science, where it all belongs then.
Simply put, and yes it's a repeat.
Being gay does not hurt anyone (apart from some people's psyche due to narrowmindedness)
Having an incestuous relationship hurts the offspring (simple biology) and in most cases hurts all parties involved psychologically.

In history there are 2 periods where incest was openly accepted: ancient egypt and the royalty in Europe during the dark ages (might I remind you that during this time most royals were "defenders of the faith").
(which led to a weak biological state of both their offspring...that's why inbred in livestock is also not done; biological seen it's the same principal as we're all mammals.)

Since we're on the topic of biology.
In nature it is not uncommon to find gay animals.
It is very uncommon to find animals that have incestuous relationships.

This is quite simple explainable.
We all have a scent, there are pheromones, now between family members that is about the same scent, so subconsciously you are (or should be) sexually repulsed by family members. (this applies to ALL family members)
This is natures way of prohibiting inbreeding.
Which basically means that it is wrong.

q.e.d.

[Lightning Orb]

And I do believe that most of the people will agree that incest is something that isn't to be done really.

You know, people probably said the same thing about gays 20 years ago, but look at the situation now.

Ha! Soo wait,.. are you guys saying your agaisnt incest now???
wow...

[KillaKlown]

If you're gay that's ok it's what you decided to be, Just dont be all up in my face about it! As far as the marriage of two gay folk well what's it matter if you can or cant be wed it's only a piece of paper after all

[Wow_Give_Up_On_Life]

I don't like Serial Killers, thus I don't like Gays.

Incest is not to be done, I think thats just not meant for society.

[Sano]

I don't like Serial Killers, thus I don't like Gays.

Incest is not to be done, I think thats just not meant for society.

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