Scotlands Independance-16yr olds gain vote!

[GarthVader449]

For anyone who doesn't know what I am on about; Scottish nationalists are trying to make Scotaland break away from the U.K. And there will be historic refferendum in Scotland to decide this(date 2014 some time). Mr Alex Salmy Salmy(lol), our Stupid...I mean First minister is getting 16yr olds to vote on this historic day.

Yes!! Know I can tell those nationalists where to go!! Finally...
Anyone who is scottish, I urge you to vote NO!!
Everyone please share your views; espically if you are Scottish. I mean British living in Scotaland.

[Shadowstar1922]

For anyone who doesn't know what I am on about; Scottish nationalists are trying to make Scotaland break away from the U.K. And there will be historic refferendum in Scotland to decide this(date 2014 some time). Mr Alex Salmy Salmy(lol), our Stupid...I mean First minister is getting 16yr olds to vote on this historic day.

Yes!! Know I can tell those nationalists where to go!! Finally...
Anyone who is scottish, I urge you to vote NO!!
Everyone please share your views; espically if you are Scottish. I mean British living in Scotaland.

Wait, you're urging people to vote against Scotland's independence?

[Comrade]

Why would Scotland want Independence... What has the UK ever done to harm it?

[Shadowstar1922]

Why would Scotland want Independence... What has the UK ever done to harm it?

The way Scotland was conquered, was very brutal and cruel. England and Scotland had been early kingdoms before the Midievil Times.

What happened, was, in 1290, the Queen of Sctoland had died, and the Scottish didn't know who to put as new King/Queen. So, the King of England, Edward I, said he had the right to be the new King of Scotland, and make a Union of the two countries(as well as with Wales, who was already conquered) England successfully conquered Scotland, and not too long after that, the Scottish rose up. England was hit hard but the Scottish uprising, but towards the end of the war, England was able to mobolize strong enough forces to take down the Scottish Army. The leader of the uprsing, William Wallace was executed as well as a few his top advisors/commanders.
In 1512, during the Middle Ages, England was hit hard with very weak kings, which gave Scotland the chance to rise up, and form their own Kingdom again. Scotland, with their new king, James IV, attacked England, and won many battles during Englands decline. But, when he died in battle, the war was immediately over, James IV's duaghter, Marry took the thrown as new Queen of Scotland. Though, she was in France, and unable to return to her kingdom. Once she made it back, she was imprisioned and killed when England had conquered Scotland.

This was the last major uprising of the Scottish. The Scottish, as well as the Irish and Welsh were treated so harshly from the British, because they contiuned to uprise. Many Scottish, Welsh and Irish had made political parties further in history that completely agreed with British rule, just to save themselves, though some really did beleive in British Rule.

All 3 countries that England conquered(not so much of the Welsh) were harshly treated, not given food when they needed it(Such as the Potato Famine in Ireland, driving away 7 million irish people, cutting down England's population by a lot) and England only stepped in the lands only to enforce their military power, or education circiculum. Britian had even banned anyone from talking Irish or Scottish, anyone who did was killed on the spot by a policemen, or a soldier. This caused the languages to die out.



Don't want to get too into it, but all 3 countries were put into so much turmoil, harsh treating, neglectence, that it's pitiful that England did that. Though now, thanks to Queen Elizabeth, she brought all the countries together, giving them the ability to make their own Government, control their own people with their Constitution(though major issues with be worked with both the countries government and the British Government, or solely the British Government) and even make their own military devisions to join the British Army, and countless other freedoms. Queen Elizabeth brought all cultures together under unity and equality. Though just because she did that, doesn't mean the nations don't want independence. It's only natural that Scotland still wants independence.

And, i think England should give them independence either way. Britian has always harshly treated their conquered subjects, those who object their rule. It's so obvious that conquered people will object rule, thats why you give them rights in the first place, not say, "Be with us or Die" which was basically their motto.

[GarthVader449]

Shadowstar has a point but, times have changed allot. What if these "conquered" countries don't want Independance? Northen Ireland want to remain British. Wales, they have never really wanted to be Independant. And Scotland, back then when tribes and clan leaders wanted to rule, yes we wanted to be Scottish! But then back then communication links we non-exsitent compared today. And we signed that peice of paper to become the United Kingdom hourly, we didn't have to, though if we didn't we would have been ruled by the English for alot longer. Plus some of this history is a bit patchy considering Scots didn't really keep evidence or dairys and the English giving basist accounts.
Today; more than 2/3 of Scots want to remain British. So why should we have Independance when most of the U.K's population want to remain The 'United' Kingdom and have the honour to be British and have a claim to the the British empire.
In the early 1900's all the way to the 1980's Scotalnd has played a major part in wars; for example World War II, as harsh as it sounds and patriotic Scottish battilions voulenttered to lead Allied forces to victory taking the most causalities being at the front line and leading the attacks. The Clyde at on point was the biggest ship building port in the U.K(Claims at the time to be the biggest the world). Scotland hosts the biggest training exercise for NATO forces every 1-3 years because of it is landscape and small population.
Surly countries who want independance, can have it. However why give countries Independance that have no intrest in it. We live in a democrazy now; and the only way to tell what the Scots want is to have a vote and that is what is happening.

[Shadowstar1922]

Garth, if 2/3 of Scottish want to be with the United Kingdom, then they will obviously stay with the UK. There is a vote, yes? Then if what you say is true, then the vote's outcome will be that Scotland remains under British Rule.

with the Irish War of Independence, about 80% of the people elected the Sinn Fien into the Irish Parliament, and then those people then formed their own provisional government, the Irish Republic, or Irish Free State, refusing to go to England to meet with the other parliaments.

If the majority of the people don't want to succeed, then obviously, they won't succeed.
But, when the majority of the people wanted independence, like Ireland did, then they will do what they can to achieve their goal.


For me, I am hoping Scotland does get independence. Though, if the people don't want it, then they obviously won't get it. xD

[GarthVader449]

If Scotland gets independance my career is straight out the window!

Though polls are not really realiable and it's amazing what propaganda can do to people who look at the short term and not the long term effects....
I think this has been talked about too much...
Plus, hell if I want Alex Salmond running our country!

[Shadowstar1922]

If Scotland gets independance my career is straight out the window!

Though polls are not really realiable and it's amazing what propaganda can do to people who look at the short term and not the long term effects....
I think this has been talked about too much...
Plus, hell if I want Alex Salmond running our country!

If the majority of the people want independence, then once they aquire such, most of them with work very hard to make their country big and successful.

[bestbudd]

I'm American but Scottish at hart ( and my grandpa is Scottish ) I Vote yes for Scottish independence, Does anybody Know about the Scottish Revaluationary War? It was about Freedom of Religious belief, Alot Of Christians died back then Because of the British! and I think that if they Stay under You-know-who then More bad things WILL happen.

[Rainshard]

YOU CAN TAKE OUR LIVES BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM