Argentina's stupid claim over the Falkland islands

[Shadowstar1922]

The UK has been claiming the falkland islands for much longer than Argentina. That is the point. Also, when you say Argentina, you mean Spain. They only gained independence in the 19th century. This issue precedes Argentina's independence. If anything, Spain should be arguing with UK over ownership, not Spain's colony, Argentina.

look, there is no way anyone can call the UK a colonial power, without calling Argentina the same. Seriously, Spain was just as invasive as the UK ever was. Argentina had a very short lived, tenuous hold on the islands. Britain on the other hand, maintained a strong, long presence. Regardless, the inhabitants of the islands now have the absolute right to veto any colonial claims on the land.

Argentina is an economic nightmare. It barely survives by restructuring its debt - ie not paying the full amount it actually owes to the people it borrowed from. They are on a knifes edge and it will take a lot of doing to avoid another default.

anyway, this is just my view on events. Happy to hear other peoples thoughts

I'm not siding with Argentina, you do know that, right? In my first post I thoroughly explained Argentina's reasons for wanting the Falkland islands, then saying since it's been so long and Argentina has lost the "core" they need to retrieve it, the islands belong to the United Kingdom.

I only jumped in because you were calling Argentina stupid when they most certainty aren't.

[GarthVader449]

If I may add...
Not long ago Argentina was going to take the islands by force, *cough* I mean attempt to take them by force. But for some reason they didn't want to get humiliated like they did last time...
And if any-one it should be the British and French who have ownership over them. As the Portugues never colonised the islands. However the french did, and there is documents and evidence that British people seeked refuge on the islands on various accounts.
With the past behind us, surely it has to be the settlers choice. Not Argentina's or Britains. Even though the vast majority of them are already British anyway...
And as this recent referendum will show, they want to remain British! No wonder when the Argentina acts like they own them, like they are objects. And if Argentina says it is democratic, then surely they should stop being so demanding and do the democratic thing.

[Shadowstar1922]

If I may add...
Not long ago Argentina was going to take the islands by force, *cough* I mean attempt to take them by force. But for some reason they didn't want to get humiliated like they did last time...
And if any-one it should be the British and French who have ownership over them. As the Portugues never colonised the islands. However the french did, and there is documents and evidence that British people seeked refuge on the islands on various accounts.
With the past behind us, surely it has to be the settlers choice. Not Argentina's or Britains. Even though the vast majority of them are already British anyway...
And as this recent referendum will show, they want to remain British! No wonder when the Argentina acts like they own them, like they are objects. And if Argentina says it is democratic, then surely they should stop being so demanding and do the democratic thing.

The British were the first to have em, then the Spanish, then the French. Portugal never made it that far down.

"And if Argentina says it's democratic, then surely they should stop being so demanding and do the democratic thing."

64% of Americans don't want to have a war with Iran, yet the United States keeps pushing for it. the American/Iraqi War was the most protested war in history, and the USA still invaded Iraq. 3 million people gathered in the city of Rome to protest America's intervention. In 2010 or 2011 i think it was, about 76% of Iraqis thought that America keeping it's military position in Iraq would make things worse, and aound 60-70% of Iraqis didn't want America in Iraq by September 2011, even if America was going to start making things better or not. Yet it's 2013, and even though the Iraqi Government kicked us out in December 2011, we're still in there. xD

When talking about world powers, it's hard to do the "Democratic" thing since the world is runned by money and power hungry fools who want to dominate the world coughcoughamericaunitedkingdomfrancegermanyrussiachinacoughcough.

EDIT: Guess what I found while playing Victoria II? Look closely at the Falkland Island's page on the bottom left, and look who has a core on who. ;D http://prntscr.com/wlum5

[Shadow00]

Well to get this over with.
It does NOT matter who lived on a place.
The country or even the whole world belongs to the people that can actually take it by force.
That's why you don't see Italians or Greeks ruling half Europe right now.
Argentinians can always whine, but they won't get the islands as long as Britain has interest in them.
And finally, argentina doesn't really deserve getting anything since WW2.
Most nazi officials? Left to Argentina.
Long story short, my opinion is that those islands are worth a LOT of money, and there's no reason to give them to Argentina.

[Sylvia]

I don't know where you've been for the past 200 years Shadowstar, or if you've been playing your empire expansion games for too long, but things are dealt with in a very different way than your "expand and conquer" logic. But we'll follow your logic for now.

Let's have a look at this, to begin with:


This shows without question that UK have had control over the Falklands for much longer than any other country. You can't argue with that. So if you're thinking of the 'who had it longest/first deserves it', then France technically does. The French don't paticularly want to get involved in something potentially messy with England, so it would be come England's in that respect.

With the other idea that it is close to Argentina and therefore it should be theirs - that's a dangerous logic to work on. England is close to France, shall we have that? And we're only across the sea from the USA too...so therefore they should be ours...doesn't quite work.

We're in 2013, so let's look at this in a sensible way. If the Falklands are owned by Britain, the inhabitants are British citizens, and they want to stay British, what is the problem? They don't want to be Argentinian. They're happy.

And going on about the UK being terribly brutish and taking over Australia and India, so on and so forth - have you heard of the commonwealth?

Most of the British territories. Countries are free to leave anytime...and 2 have in 75 or so years. You might like to think that all governments are corrupt and hungry for power, but they're doing a better job at keeping peace than you would be.

Of course excluding Argentina, who are throwing all their toys out the pram.

[Shadowstar1922]

Ducky, like I said previously, I'm not siding with Argentina on the matter. In a couple posts I've said including my first one, which I said: "But as of this day, Argentina shouldn't be fighting over it, since they long lost a "core" on the islands you could say. But they have so many reasons for wanting the islands back. And GB has just as many reasons to match and counter Argentina's claims. "

I just popped into the discussion because I wanted everyone to know that Argentina's claims are not "stupid" and they have good justification for them, but since GB has had them longer, they should keep them.

[Sylvia]

My whole post is proving that Argentina have NO justifiable claim over the Falklands.

[Shadowstar1922]

My whole post is proving that Argentina have NO justifiable claim over the Falklands.

Argentina does have justification, and a lot of good ones too.

[Shadow00]

Shadow star, I don't know whether or not you understand what is on the image you posted, as most of it ARE proven idiotic claims in ducky's post.

[Flobalob]

My whole post is proving that Argentina have NO justifiable claim over the Falklands.

Argentina does have justification, and a lot of good ones too.

Almost every single one of those claims can be countered with "Yeah, but we took it. Watchoo gon do 'bout it?"