Syrian Civil War

[Shadowstar1922]

It's now been 2 years of the Syrian Civil War and around 100,000 people have died.

And my opinion is short and simple.

I believe Russia should continue selling arms to the Dictator since they are allies, America should get out completely, and not fund Al Quada(aka, the Rebels) and though Russia is selling arms, give the Arab League COMPLETE authority and command over the issue.

It's their region, their Organization was created for a reason and the participating countries should do their job in keeping peace in the area. The Arab League knows what is best for the area, NOT America.

Clearly, democracies don't work, because reformists like Dr. Mossadegh of Iran, cause their promising and prospering democracies to fall apart because foreign powers look down on other countries growing so they take their government out, like Iran in 1953, and puppet democracies coughcoughAfghanistancoughcoughIraqcoughcough just cause more damage and people get more mad.

And, I refuse to back up any terrorist organization. Yes, Assad is an evil man who has opressed his people, but last time I checked, the Syrian Liberation Army killed more innocent people than the Regime, and was the first to use chemical weapons.

It's like voting for the President. Yeah, Obama and Romney are horrible people, but who is better? Obama. Sadly.

Replace Obama with Assad, and Romney with The SLA.

Share your opinions and try not to bring anything to a personal level, and keep your cool. .-. Simple debates, simple debates.

[Dr Frook]

It's now been 2 years of the Syrian Civil War and around 100,000 people have died.

And my opinion is short and simple.

I believe Russia should continue selling arms to the Dictator since they are allies, America should get out completely, and not fund Al Quada(aka, the Rebels) and though Russia is selling arms, give the Arab League COMPLETE authority and command over the issue.

agreed - the rebels need to be crushed and the US should stop helping al quada/other terrorist groups when it suits them.

It's their region, their Organization was created for a reason and the participating countries should do their job in keeping peace in the area. The Arab League knows what is best for the area, NOT America.

The Arab League is a mess. They would prefer to kill one another than cooperate.

Clearly, democracies don't work, because reformists like Dr. Mossadegh of Iran, cause their promising and prospering democracies to fall apart because foreign powers look down on other countries growing so they take their government out, like Iran in 1953, and puppet democracies coughcoughAfghanistancoughcoughIraqcoughcough just cause more damage and people get more mad.

imposing democracy on any country in the middle east is idiotic. They just need good dictatorships (no I am not being sarcastic).

And, I refuse to back up any terrorist organization. Yes, Assad is an evil man who has opressed his people, but last time I checked, the Syrian Liberation Army killed more innocent people than the Regime, and was the first to use chemical weapons.

evil is in the eye of the beholder.

It's like voting for the President. Yeah, Obama and Romney are horrible people, but who is better? Obama. Sadly.

Replace Obama with Assad, and Romney with The SLA.

Share your opinions and try not to bring anything to a personal level, and keep your cool. .-. Simple debates, simple debates.

[Shadowstar1922]

@ the Arab League response: if they are guided by the UN, not dictated by the UN, like, giving them more authority in the region and suggesting ideas and showing both sides, that would be good.
@ the Democracy response: As long as the PEOPLE want Democracy, it's fine, and that's what happened with Dr. Mossadegh. The people wanted him, they put him incharge and he made many reforms like nationalizing the oil to pay for the modernization. But was put down because he would cause Iran to grow.

But, in general, we agree, no?

[Flobalob]

The Arab League clearly doesn't know what's best for the area. If they did, there wouldn't be so much crap going down.

I don't think we should all step in, but I also don't think we should help them. I say stop selling them weapons and sanction them for violating the CWC by using Nerve Agents.

When a large population within your country doesn't like what you're doing, and another large population does, you have to find a compromise. Killing them all doesn't seem like a great one.

[Shadowstar1922]

The Arab League clearly doesn't know what's best for the area. If they did, there wouldn't be so much crap going down.

I don't think we should all step in, but I also don't think we should help them. I say stop selling them weapons and sanction them for violating the CWC by using Nerve Agents.

When a large population within your country doesn't like what you're doing, and another large population does, you have to find a compromise. Killing them all doesn't seem like a great one.

The Arab League doesn't even have any authority in the region because America has been separating the major powers of the area purposely, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt. If America left and the UN pressured them to get closer and work together, they would eventually band together.

And, Syria didn't really violate the CWC. Syria only said they would use chemical weapons in a time of need and when an enemy is threatening the sovreignty of the state. Syria has only used chemical weapons against the enemy army, not against civilians. The SLA has used chemical weapons against both the Government and the people, in attempt to blame the Government

Syria is attempting to avoid killing citizens as much as they can but they fail horribly. .-.

Look at Qaddafi's overthrow. It's the same thing. Qaddafi made numerous speeches that the rebels would be put down and civilians would not be hurt no matter what, but the Rebels in Libya killed so many innocent civilians and blamed it on the Government.

Libyans loved Qaddafi, but they can't express that because if they do, they'd be killed by the Government(the new one). During that civil war, Libyan rebels would shoot rockets into the homes of Qadaffi supporters, or just busted in and shot them all. The rest got scared and said they wanted a democracy.

If the rebels win in Syria, the same thing will happen. Literally, all support would drop for Assad because if they supported Assad, they would be killed by the opposition.

[Flobalob]

Are you trying to say it's a bad thing that support for Assad drops? They wouldn't be doing this if they wanted him in power.

And Syrian Rebels have been diagnosed with Nerve Gas related illnesses/deaths. After Syrian shelling. I think, with a bit of common logic applied, it's fairly obvious what's going on.

Dictatorships never work. There always seems to be a lot of torture and suffering. As with Totalitarian states. I'm all for them bringing it down, but we need have no part in this.

[Shadowstar1922]

Are you trying to say it's a bad thing that support for Assad drops? They wouldn't be doing this if they wanted him in power.

And Syrian Rebels have been diagnosed with Nerve Gas related illnesses/deaths. After Syrian shelling. I think, with a bit of common logic applied, it's fairly obvious what's going on.

Dictatorships never work. There always seems to be a lot of torture and suffering. As with Totalitarian states. I'm all for them bringing it down, but we need have no part in this.

I'm not saying it's bad for bringing Assad down, but it's bad to put someone else in charge who will do much more destruction and create a more oppressive, Theocratic state, which is what the Syrian Liberation Army will do.

[Flobalob]

Are you trying to say it's a bad thing that support for Assad drops? They wouldn't be doing this if they wanted him in power.

And Syrian Rebels have been diagnosed with Nerve Gas related illnesses/deaths. After Syrian shelling. I think, with a bit of common logic applied, it's fairly obvious what's going on.

Dictatorships never work. There always seems to be a lot of torture and suffering. As with Totalitarian states. I'm all for them bringing it down, but we need have no part in this.

I'm not saying it's bad for bringing Assad down, but it's bad to put someone else in charge who will do much more destruction and create a more oppressive, Theocratic state, which is what the Syrian Liberation Army will do.

Maybe so, but we don't even know who they'll put in power (Well, I don't anyway) and even so, the other countries who liberated themselves seem to be getting along fine (There was one thing in one of them though, I seem to remember).

[Shadowstar1922]

Are you trying to say it's a bad thing that support for Assad drops? They wouldn't be doing this if they wanted him in power.

And Syrian Rebels have been diagnosed with Nerve Gas related illnesses/deaths. After Syrian shelling. I think, with a bit of common logic applied, it's fairly obvious what's going on.

Dictatorships never work. There always seems to be a lot of torture and suffering. As with Totalitarian states. I'm all for them bringing it down, but we need have no part in this.

I'm not saying it's bad for bringing Assad down, but it's bad to put someone else in charge who will do much more destruction and create a more oppressive, Theocratic state, which is what the Syrian Liberation Army will do.

Maybe so, but we don't even know who they'll put in power (Well, I don't anyway) and even so, the other countries who liberated themselves seem to be getting along fine (There was one thing in one of them though, I seem to remember).

All the other countries that had revolutions are horrible and have had a bad history because of their revolution in the Middle East.

Libya: Qadaffi's socialist policies, such as funding education, science, health care, insurance, centralized bank, organized economy, human rights(with the expcetion of torturing people who wanted to overthrow the government), etc brought the country from a deep 3rd world country all the way up to a middle 2nd world country, so much that almost all Muslims would rather live in Libya than in any other country, even in Israel. Libya was growing rapidly. During the Libyan Civil War, the rebels destroyed many buildings Qadaffi's regime had built, such as hospitals, schools, universities, apartments, etc and parts of the largest irrigation system in the world that costed 27 billion dollars. Libya is now going down in the economy because the damage to the infrastructure Qadaffi spent so much money on, and the Liberation Army there rejecting socialism, though socialism gave them the best Muslim country out of the rest...
Iraq: Where to even begin? After Saddam Huseein was overthrown for stepping out of line from US Imperialism, the country was invaded and heavily opressed by the US Government and Iraqi government through riots and protests, leading to over 600,000 people dying, millions being displaced, and 3-6 million Iraqis leaving the country.
Iran: After the United Kingdom and the USA overthrowing the Iranian Democracy(which, worked more better and was more democratic than the US's) because Iran was reforming itself, roughly 50,000-100,000 Iranians died during the US terrorist funded attacks and riots to restore the Shah, which lead to later in 1979, the Islamic Revolution to set up a Democratic theocracy, or an Islamic Republic. In the beginning, the first Ayatollah was oppressive like the Shah, but the second one was much more intelligent and reformed the country. But, if the Democracy from 1951 had stayed, Iran would be so much more bigger and more of a safe country. Now, Iran deals with American Imperialism, because Iran is trying to seek peace and return the Palestinian people to their home(though since 2010, Iran gave up on diplomatic negotiations after numerous rejections of peace deals so the Government has been on the defense with aggressive actions here and there.)

I don't know much information on Egypt's revolution and how they're doing, and though I know little of Yemen, I know their revolution against the King and forming a Democracy, supported by the UK, had their numerous ups and downs. But, Yemen's leaders seem to be somewhat smart to me and are questioning being with America after you know, America bombing the hell out of their citizens.

So, the couontries with revolutions, are not doing so fine right now, and the ones who attempted to fix the problems, like Iran, got put in the Axis of Evil for doing such.

[Flobalob]

I was going more for the countries in the recent spur of revolutions.

Oh, and, Gaddafi*