Why We Still Need Feminism

[Tycoon]

saying "most females do this" "most males do this" "rarely [gender] does this" is still gender stereotyping

[The Zodiac Killer]

True

[TheKingsHills]

I'm in an arguing mood.
So I'm going back to my original points.

My problem with Modern day Feminism, or Third Wave Feminism is that form what I've observed within FWG feminists. A majority of the issues women face that are brought up, are within Western Culure.
I will point out, that I do accept the fact that there are countries that do need Feminism. Countries over in the Eastern Countries, particularly Asia. But that is not what I am disputing.
I am disputing the need for the Feminist movement within Western Culture. As defined at the very beginning of this discussion, Feminism was defined.
"feminism: noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."
This means that Feminism is a movement pushing for womens rights, for the reason that all sexes are equal.
With this definition of Feminism, at least in Western culture, why is it still needed? What rights do Men have the women do not? More specifically, what rights do women not have?
Feminism does have the equal pay thing going for them, making "77" cents on the dollar. Which has been stated in many reputable places that this number does not factor in differences such as differences in career fields or other things along those lines. The number I have found to be most realistic is 96 cents on teh dollar, the last 4 cents undetermined as to what the reasoning is. Which is assumed by many feminists to be the product of discrimination; this claim, having not been proven as fact, just an assumption.

But what else is there? As far as I'm aware. There isn't anything else. In fact, I'd be more worried about the rights that women have that men don't.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfi ... -men-dont/
Not a reputable source by any means. But it has the general idea.
One of my biggest worries being the Selective Service System. Men are required to register for this system otherwise they lose potential benefits.
Selective Services being even worse for an immigrant such as myself as I cannot become a Citizen of the United States if I do not register for the System. Of course again, this only applies to men.

In the case that this movement is no longer just about Women's Rights, then where is the avocation of either women being included in the selective services system, or the removal of the sss.
A mere google search for "Advocation for end of selective services" and "end of Selective services" show that there are very few actually advocating for the end of it. This few generally being smaller websites, and the people attempting to sue for the law that requires only men to register for this system.

[org36]

saying "most females do this" "most males do this" "rarely [gender] does this" is still gender stereotyping

Ok. I'll give an irl example then. So in my class, there's pranksters. One of them (Francis) pranked me by taking one of my things and running around the classroom avoiding me with it. I then pranked him by taking one of HIS things and hiding it under someone's desk.

An irl example for the other one would be that the prankster that sat beside me pranked a girl in our class by taking one of her things. Someone saw him take it and he passed it to me. When her friend asked for it back she literally GLARED at me. I'm not kidding.

PS Apparantly saying "a gender does this" gets called out as stereotyping. Ok. I'll call out some people then.

to be fair about the suicide part, men tend to take more violent methods of suicide, such as by bullet or noose, while women tend to try and overdose. that's why men are more successful with their suicide attempts than women are.

Also, I'm quite sure MOST of the guys would be flattered if that happened to them on the street.

And here's something you said that refers to stereotyping in general as "completely natural".

here's a crowd of males - o's
oooooooo
now replace the sexist ones with x's
ooxooxxx
not all of them are sexist, but enough of them are to change somebody's view
all of them are men, so to refer to sexists as men is natural

So if it is natural why the heck am I being called out for it ._.

[Boxorino]

PS Apparantly saying "a gender does this" gets called out as stereotyping. Ok. I'll call out some people then.

to be fair about the suicide part, men tend to take more violent methods of suicide, such as by bullet or noose, while women tend to try and overdose. that's why men are more successful with their suicide attempts than women are.

notice how i said 'tend to' instead of leaving it out to make it definite. yeah, back up son.

[org36]

PS Apparantly saying "a gender does this" gets called out as stereotyping. Ok. I'll call out some people then.

to be fair about the suicide part, men tend to take more violent methods of suicide, such as by bullet or noose, while women tend to try and overdose. that's why men are more successful with their suicide attempts than women are.

notice how i said 'tend to' instead of leaving it out to make it definite. yeah, back up son.

Cough.I reworded it so it wasn't definite. Also:

saying "most females do this" "most males do this" "rarely [gender] does this" is still gender stereotyping

So there.

[Boxorino]

saying "most females do this" "most males do this" "rarely [gender] does this" is still gender stereotyping

it's only any form of stereotyping if you say it definitely. such as:
"all asians are really smart"
"all black people like chicken"
"all girls wear makeup"
"all boys like sports"
these are all arguable with the "not all _____" argument.
MEANWHILE saying things like:
"MOST/SOME asians are really smart"
"MOST/SOME black people like chicken"
"MOST/SOME girls wear makeup"
"MOST/SOME boys like sports"
is not including each person who fits into those categories.
these are NOT arguable with the "not all _____" argument.

PS Apparantly saying "a gender does this" gets called out as stereotyping. Ok. I'll call out some people then.

to be fair about the suicide part, men tend to take more violent methods of suicide, such as by bullet or noose, while women tend to try and overdose. that's why men are more successful with their suicide attempts than women are.

notice how i said 'tend to' instead of leaving it out to make it definite. yeah, back up son.

Cough.I reworded it so it wasn't definite.

you reworded nothing. that was MY WRITING. (x)

[org36]

saying "most females do this" "most males do this" "rarely [gender] does this" is still gender stereotyping

it's only any form of stereotyping if you say it definitely. such as:
"all asians are really smart"
"all black people like chicken"
"all girls wear makeup"
"all boys like sports"
these are all arguable with the "not all _____" argument.
MEANWHILE saying things like:
"MOST/SOME asians are really smart"
"MOST/SOME black people like chicken"
"MOST/SOME girls wear makeup"
"MOST/SOME boys like sports"
is not including each person who fits into those categories.
these are NOT arguable with the "not all _____" argument.

PS Apparantly saying "a gender does this" gets called out as stereotyping. Ok. I'll call out some people then.

to be fair about the suicide part, men tend to take more violent methods of suicide, such as by bullet or noose, while women tend to try and overdose. that's why men are more successful with their suicide attempts than women are.

notice how i said 'tend to' instead of leaving it out to make it definite. yeah, back up son.

Cough.I reworded it so it wasn't definite.

you reworded nothing. that was MY WRITING. (x)

Was talking about my post. Also, thanks for noticing Tyc's post that I quoted ._.

[Tycoon]

I suppose it depends on the context then, whether you're saying a group does it because they are that group, or that you're saying that it's simply that group that does it most often.

this is really wordy I'm sorry

[Wow_Give_Up_On_Life]

Wow this is still being debated?