Potato's war on Cultural appropriation

[The Divine Potato]

First, to clarify, saying there is such a thing. Utter crap, I would use much stronger language for this but this is a kiddie friendly site.

The definition:"Cultural appropriation is the adoption of elements of one culture by members of a different cultural group, especially if the adoption is of an oppressed people's cultural elements by members of the dominant culture."

Right. Let's get this started, since I know that everyone likes to take the especially if the adoption is of an oppressed people's cultural elements by members of the dominant culture part really seriously. Let's nip this in the bud straight away. I am British, if you didn't know that, then hi. My country, is very infamous for what they have done in the past all "yaaah, British Empire, slavery, discrimination, whites above blacks." So my country probably committed more of this than any other, maybe besides America, maybe.

So, I don't have a lot of time to get this down straight so, that means that no one outside of black communities, according to J the J, may rap, may wear fashion associated with blacks, or any other type of "black culture." Sorry Eminem, you're gonna have to burn all your albums and CDs and other things. And I will have to give back: Coffee, Roman Catholicism, any painting or artwork associated with pirates, as I am not a pirate, and so much more but I unfortunately do not have enough time to post it.

Oh and America, give our precious Protestantism back!

[Foopzheart]

I thought cultural appropriation was making a joke out of a culture--Like ridiculous, offensive Halloween costumes. I can see that. BUT, white people not being allowed to rap? lol

[Excalibur]

Let's respect everyone's opinion! Cordial debating is encouraged, but personal attacks are not. (I have edited your post)

[The Divine Potato]

I'm gonna add some kindling onto the funeral pyre of this deluded concept. People believe that people are "stealing" their culture, that they are having it ripped from their arms and that it is being twisted, that it will never be now again. Yes, exactly, because just because Iggy Azalea sings in a tone that loosely, and I use the word loosely, loosely resembles black slang which people, such as this southern woman thinks is a blatant attack on her precious and fragile way of life

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/15/iggy_az ... e_remixed/

In this article, the woman talks about a thing called "code switching." Which, according to her is completely exclusive to blacks and non-whites, yes white people, we can integrate into your society but you can just stop talking like us and sit yo butt down, boi. You ain't allowed into our black society or we gon' pop a cap in yo butt. And yes, I do realize I was feeding a stereotype, but I do not care.

This woman also is upset by the way that rappers such as Lil Wayne and T.I's Grand Hustle support white women taking up rap and making musical gonorrhea (At least in my opinion) and generally making money off of a type of music that was started by black people. Oh how I wonder how they would feel about Sister Act. So a white woman is completely not allowed to use certain words in her songs when we have black rappers putting out content like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeO9bey8Crg

Wonderful, next Mozart, no white person should be allowed to even attempt to make a song that tops this for it's glorious contribution to literature. Why not throw in another rap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug

Yes, because Iggy Azalea is the biggest problem with your precious rap music and her thievery of this troubled black woman's beloved words, totally not the way that the N-word is so openly used in media produced by blacks, and blasted into the ears of minors who get their daily dose of cusses with a dash of pure, stone-cold racism thrown straight in.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/09/cul ... opriation/

Onto this article, I do believe it to be relatively well structured, that western (mostly Murican culture) to be a big, pushy capitalist mess that people feel pressured into, and that assimilation can only happen willingly, and that the point using someone else’s cultural symbols to satisfy a personal need for self-expression is an exercise in privilege. Is completely irrelevant, that it is out of the blue, that this privilege extends to the category of "everybody who doesn't follow that culture".

But I will concede to the fact that "engaging with a culture as a respectful and humble guest, invitation only. " Is the way to go about things, cultural evolution is what stems from so-called appropriation, that the only reason Protestantism exists is because Henry the eighth wanted most of the catholic stuff, minus the Pope telling him what to do, but I don't see feminists confronting them and telling them that they shouldn't be following their stripped-down religion.

Another religious example, a fairly recent one, jumping onto the other side of the racial spectrum into the Ethiopian religion of Rastafarianism, begun in 1930 when Haile Selassi was crowned the king of Ethiopia, this religion followed various chapters from the Old Testament, rather infamously reading into the "God gave man all green things to use" an example of this being the cannabis plant. But I hear you say "what is wrong with that?" Cultural appropriation is like a coin, it indeed could have two sides and the Rastas are all wrong for pinching the word of the lord and incorporating it into their own religion.

And lets hop back to music, if you can somehow track the chaos in this chart then you will notice that the only genres without an arrow going into them are: Christian hymms, Traditional African, Western Folk Music, Ambient, New Age, Traditional Indian, Work Songs, Post Punk, Industrial Rock, and New Wave. And you will also notice the innumerable arrows which travel across music genres and into others, even across countries separated by hundreds of miles of ocean, that music would never have evolved so much for people to complain about people stealing their original, set in stone, precious culture.

What I am trying to say here is that saying that when people try to pretend something they are not, they often do badly at doing so, permitting us space to laugh at these people, instead of creating a whole topic to further drive a point which is about as pointless as The Game, which you just lost. It is not an extension of White Privilege, it is an extension of being a sentient being privilege, no white people are completely overwriting the raps of black artists which you need not only listen to on the radio, no Rasta is kicking the Pope in the holy relics and calling him the false prophet and the fact that people drink a ground-up leaf in a cup, usually stirred with milk and potentially sugar and always with boiling water is not the widening of some sort of racial gap that people are against so-called cultural appropriation for. I mean of course, a white boy popping on several gold chains and sunglasses and a hoodie, snapping a picture of himself and putting it on twitter saying "So black" is wrong, it's not cultural appropriation, it's racist, and obviously isn't an attempt to blend in with the black community, but rather an excuse to be laughed at and singled out for showing us just how much of an idiot he is. Just like Iggy Azalea saying how much you "luv dat." Is not a theft of generations of black culture, but an addition to a song's lyric that will merely increase her income by more money that a lot of the people on this site will most likely be able to handle in their life, including myself.

[Excalibur]

Personally I think people should be able to do what they want as long as their actions don't infringe upon another's inalienable rights or break laws. America after all is a salad bowl or even a melting pot if you see it as cultures mixing.

[J the J]

"Cultural appropriation is the adoption of elements of one culture by members of a different cultural group, especially if the adoption is of an oppressed people's cultural elements by members of the dominant culture."

White people have oppressed people of colour (whether that be native americans, aboriginals, asians, africans etc) for thousands of years, taking their traditions and making them their own, using their artwork or tribal works whether it be clothing, food etc. to gain profit. Whether you wish to ignore it or not, that is your decision, but it exists, and it is very disrespectful that you have made this post totally ignoring the evidence of history and white privilege.

[Foopzheart]

"Cultural appropriation is the adoption of elements of one culture by members of a different cultural group, especially if the adoption is of an oppressed people's cultural elements by members of the dominant culture."

White people have oppressed people of colour (whether that be native americans, aboriginals, asians, africans etc) for thousands of years, taking their traditions and making them their own, using their artwork or tribal works whether it be clothing, food etc. to gain profit. Whether you wish to ignore it or not, that is your decision, but it exists, and it is very disrespectful that you have made this post totally ignoring the evidence of history and white privilege.

You copied the definition and said something with 0 evidence backing it up

whereas

I'm gonna add some kindling onto the funeral pyre of this deluded concept. People believe that people are "stealing" their culture, that they are having it ripped from their arms and that it is being twisted, that it will never be now again. Yes, exactly, because just because Iggy Azalea sings in a tone that loosely, and I use the word loosely, loosely resembles black slang which people, such as this southern woman thinks is a blatant attack on her precious and fragile way of life

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/15/iggy_az ... e_remixed/

In this article, the woman talks about a thing called "code switching." Which, according to her is completely exclusive to blacks and non-whites, yes white people, we can integrate into your society but you can just stop talking like us and sit yo butt down, boi. You ain't allowed into our black society or we gon' pop a cap in yo butt. And yes, I do realize I was feeding a stereotype, but I do not care.

This woman also is upset by the way that rappers such as Lil Wayne and T.I's Grand Hustle support white women taking up rap and making musical gonorrhea (At least in my opinion) and generally making money off of a type of music that was started by black people. Oh how I wonder how they would feel about Sister Act. So a white woman is completely not allowed to use certain words in her songs when we have black rappers putting out content like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeO9bey8Crg

Wonderful, next Mozart, no white person should be allowed to even attempt to make a song that tops this for it's glorious contribution to literature. Why not throw in another rap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug

Yes, because Iggy Azalea is the biggest problem with your precious rap music and her thievery of this troubled black woman's beloved words, totally not the way that the N-word is so openly used in media produced by blacks, and blasted into the ears of minors who get their daily dose of cusses with a dash of pure, stone-cold racism thrown straight in.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/09/cul ... opriation/

Onto this article, I do believe it to be relatively well structured, that western (mostly Murican culture) to be a big, pushy capitalist mess that people feel pressured into, and that assimilation can only happen willingly, and that the point using someone else’s cultural symbols to satisfy a personal need for self-expression is an exercise in privilege. Is completely irrelevant, that it is out of the blue, that this privilege extends to the category of "everybody who doesn't follow that culture".

But I will concede to the fact that "engaging with a culture as a respectful and humble guest, invitation only. " Is the way to go about things, cultural evolution is what stems from so-called appropriation, that the only reason Protestantism exists is because Henry the eighth wanted most of the catholic stuff, minus the Pope telling him what to do, but I don't see feminists confronting them and telling them that they shouldn't be following their stripped-down religion.

Another religious example, a fairly recent one, jumping onto the other side of the racial spectrum into the Ethiopian religion of Rastafarianism, begun in 1930 when Haile Selassi was crowned the king of Ethiopia, this religion followed various chapters from the Old Testament, rather infamously reading into the "God gave man all green things to use" an example of this being the cannabis plant. But I hear you say "what is wrong with that?" Cultural appropriation is like a coin, it indeed could have two sides and the Rastas are all wrong for pinching the word of the lord and incorporating it into their own religion.

And lets hop back to music, if you can somehow track the chaos in this chart then you will notice that the only genres without an arrow going into them are: Christian hymms, Traditional African, Western Folk Music, Ambient, New Age, Traditional Indian, Work Songs, Post Punk, Industrial Rock, and New Wave. And you will also notice the innumerable arrows which travel across music genres and into others, even across countries separated by hundreds of miles of ocean, that music would never have evolved so much for people to complain about people stealing their original, set in stone, precious culture.

What I am trying to say here is that saying that when people try to pretend something they are not, they often do badly at doing so, permitting us space to laugh at these people, instead of creating a whole topic to further drive a point which is about as pointless as The Game, which you just lost. It is not an extension of White Privilege, it is an extension of being a sentient being privilege, no white people are completely overwriting the raps of black artists which you need not only listen to on the radio, no Rasta is kicking the Pope in the holy relics and calling him the false prophet and the fact that people drink a ground-up leaf in a cup, usually stirred with milk and potentially sugar and always with boiling water is not the widening of some sort of racial gap that people are against so-called cultural appropriation for. I mean of course, a white boy popping on several gold chains and sunglasses and a hoodie, snapping a picture of himself and putting it on twitter saying "So black" is wrong, it's not cultural appropriation, it's racist, and obviously isn't an attempt to blend in with the black community, but rather an excuse to be laughed at and singled out for showing us just how much of an idiot he is. Just like Iggy Azalea saying how much you "luv dat." Is not a theft of generations of black culture, but an addition to a song's lyric that will merely increase her income by more money that a lot of the people on this site will most likely be able to handle in their life, including myself.

you went in-depth and, as you would be told, "did your research"

i can only wonder who people will be inclined to believe

[The Divine Potato]

I have given enough evidence for this point to stand as long as the great pyramids, unless a well-structured argument pops up sometime.

[Boxorino]

you can wear clothing from other cultures if you respect the clothes and follow the rules for wearing them, ex. there's a lot of different types of kimonos for different occasions. you wouldn't wear a wedding kimono, called a Uchikake, to a festival.

[J the J]

"Cultural appropriation is the adoption of elements of one culture by members of a different cultural group, especially if the adoption is of an oppressed people's cultural elements by members of the dominant culture."

White people have oppressed people of colour (whether that be native americans, aboriginals, asians, africans etc) for thousands of years, taking their traditions and making them their own, using their artwork or tribal works whether it be clothing, food etc. to gain profit. Whether you wish to ignore it or not, that is your decision, but it exists, and it is very disrespectful that you have made this post totally ignoring the evidence of history and white privilege.

You copied the definition and said something with 0 evidence backing it up

whereas

I'm gonna add some kindling onto the funeral pyre of this deluded concept. People believe that people are "stealing" their culture, that they are having it ripped from their arms and that it is being twisted, that it will never be now again. Yes, exactly, because just because Iggy Azalea sings in a tone that loosely, and I use the word loosely, loosely resembles black slang which people, such as this southern woman thinks is a blatant attack on her precious and fragile way of life

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/15/iggy_az ... e_remixed/

In this article, the woman talks about a thing called "code switching." Which, according to her is completely exclusive to blacks and non-whites, yes white people, we can integrate into your society but you can just stop talking like us and sit yo butt down, boi. You ain't allowed into our black society or we gon' pop a cap in yo butt. And yes, I do realize I was feeding a stereotype, but I do not care.

This woman also is upset by the way that rappers such as Lil Wayne and T.I's Grand Hustle support white women taking up rap and making musical gonorrhea (At least in my opinion) and generally making money off of a type of music that was started by black people. Oh how I wonder how they would feel about Sister Act. So a white woman is completely not allowed to use certain words in her songs when we have black rappers putting out content like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeO9bey8Crg

Wonderful, next Mozart, no white person should be allowed to even attempt to make a song that tops this for it's glorious contribution to literature. Why not throw in another rap?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIsc8ooXug

Yes, because Iggy Azalea is the biggest problem with your precious rap music and her thievery of this troubled black woman's beloved words, totally not the way that the N-word is so openly used in media produced by blacks, and blasted into the ears of minors who get their daily dose of cusses with a dash of pure, stone-cold racism thrown straight in.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/09/cul ... opriation/

Onto this article, I do believe it to be relatively well structured, that western (mostly Murican culture) to be a big, pushy capitalist mess that people feel pressured into, and that assimilation can only happen willingly, and that the point using someone else’s cultural symbols to satisfy a personal need for self-expression is an exercise in privilege. Is completely irrelevant, that it is out of the blue, that this privilege extends to the category of "everybody who doesn't follow that culture".

But I will concede to the fact that "engaging with a culture as a respectful and humble guest, invitation only. " Is the way to go about things, cultural evolution is what stems from so-called appropriation, that the only reason Protestantism exists is because Henry the eighth wanted most of the catholic stuff, minus the Pope telling him what to do, but I don't see feminists confronting them and telling them that they shouldn't be following their stripped-down religion.

Another religious example, a fairly recent one, jumping onto the other side of the racial spectrum into the Ethiopian religion of Rastafarianism, begun in 1930 when Haile Selassi was crowned the king of Ethiopia, this religion followed various chapters from the Old Testament, rather infamously reading into the "God gave man all green things to use" an example of this being the cannabis plant. But I hear you say "what is wrong with that?" Cultural appropriation is like a coin, it indeed could have two sides and the Rastas are all wrong for pinching the word of the lord and incorporating it into their own religion.

And lets hop back to music, if you can somehow track the chaos in this chart then you will notice that the only genres without an arrow going into them are: Christian hymms, Traditional African, Western Folk Music, Ambient, New Age, Traditional Indian, Work Songs, Post Punk, Industrial Rock, and New Wave. And you will also notice the innumerable arrows which travel across music genres and into others, even across countries separated by hundreds of miles of ocean, that music would never have evolved so much for people to complain about people stealing their original, set in stone, precious culture.

What I am trying to say here is that saying that when people try to pretend something they are not, they often do badly at doing so, permitting us space to laugh at these people, instead of creating a whole topic to further drive a point which is about as pointless as The Game, which you just lost. It is not an extension of White Privilege, it is an extension of being a sentient being privilege, no white people are completely overwriting the raps of black artists which you need not only listen to on the radio, no Rasta is kicking the Pope in the holy relics and calling him the false prophet and the fact that people drink a ground-up leaf in a cup, usually stirred with milk and potentially sugar and always with boiling water is not the widening of some sort of racial gap that people are against so-called cultural appropriation for. I mean of course, a white boy popping on several gold chains and sunglasses and a hoodie, snapping a picture of himself and putting it on twitter saying "So black" is wrong, it's not cultural appropriation, it's racist, and obviously isn't an attempt to blend in with the black community, but rather an excuse to be laughed at and singled out for showing us just how much of an idiot he is. Just like Iggy Azalea saying how much you "luv dat." Is not a theft of generations of black culture, but an addition to a song's lyric that will merely increase her income by more money that a lot of the people on this site will most likely be able to handle in their life, including myself.

you went in-depth and, as you would be told, "did your research"

i can only wonder who people will be inclined to believe

Damn, I totally forgot it was a competition.