The War Room

[ghost 9]

well then it appears that ukraine's forces would likely be mostly conscript armies, however it is to be assumed that their wlite unites would be nearly fanatical as will be russia's. old haits die hard as well as indoctrination in training.

the material may be different but the nationalism demonstrated by both russian and ukrainian forces is undoubtedly going to be a factor.

what say you all about where china and the indo-china countries would fit in all of this?

They wouldn't dare get involved. If they go to war with us, they lose all the money we owe them. They join us in war and they're opening themselves up to Mongolia, and several other of their enemies.

[danny]

that is rouhgly still right shadow however the populous of ukraine is pro west, while as ghost pointed out its current govt is pro moscow. a conscript army is MUCH more likely to surrender than an army based in nationalism.


if they ally with us mongolia and russia would mop the floor with them. howver it would put russia on two fronts if we made a european assault and force them to think twice about that. mongolia would need tremendous backing to make an assault into china. the chinese people still have a GREAT deal of nationalism despite the years of turmoil their government has caused them

[Shadow00]

US stands no chance against china or russia. Too many things going on at once.
First of all, EU be dying slowly.
US needs some gas. So they invade many countries using random excuses (terrorists, peace-making (anybody buy that?) etc etc) to get it.
US trying to cut off Russia from gas resources (if you'd see US' allies on the east, you'd see that they "block" Russia's way to gas resources.
And this goes on an on...
Rest are not even close to important issues.

[ghost 9]

US stands no chance against china or russia. Too many things going on at once.
First of all, EU be dying slowly.
US needs some gas. So they invade many countries using random excuses (terrorists, peace-making (anybody buy that?) etc etc) to get it.
US trying to cut off Russia from gas resources (if you'd see US' allies on the east, you'd see that they "block" Russia's way to gas resources.
And this goes on an on...
Rest are not even close to important issues.

China's not a significant factor at this point, in my opinion. If they go to war with the US, then the US owes them nothing. I doubt they're willing to give up so much profit over something like that. However, Russia is a VERY significant factor. Honestly I don't think we could hold off Russia either. They would just slice through Europe with ridiculous ease.

[danny]

russia just has overwhelming manpower. and fanatical nationalism. they dont have the monetary resources to even get into a war. let alone fund it.

[ghost 9]

russia just has overwhelming manpower. and fanatical nationalism. they dont have the monetary resources to even get into a war. let alone fund it.

What's Russia's national Surplus/Deficit? I was lead to believe that their economy wasn't doing badly.

[danny]

not bad does not mean good enough for war. to my knowledge they dont have the resources to participate in a prolonged war unless they go back to forced labor and stalinistic laws. iw which case they COULD tap their resources in siberia and a wwar would then become very profitable for russia

[ghost 9]

not bad does not mean good enough for war. to my knowledge they dont have the resources to participate in a prolonged war unless they go back to forced labor and stalinistic laws. iw which case they COULD tap their resources in siberia and a wwar would then become very profitable for russia

With a few of the old nations rejoining with them, or forming close ties with them, it is likely they will revert BACK into the communist nation they once were, aka the Soviet Union, due to the fact that:
A. It would be purely beneficial and profitable
B. They could go back to a nationalist idea and
C. They could become the single most powerful nation in the world.

Combined with it's other allies, and theoretically the reversion back into communism, is it not logical, then for them to declare a war that can only mean profit? Especially if they could win over Greece, which, I'm told, has a large number of resources that could help them, along with several other nations?

[Shadow00]

Ok...
One slight observation. Please try not to be offended, but if 16 year olds (or less) are able to figure out the USA's, Russia's, China's etc war plans (if there are any at all) then yes, we have a problem.
They way I see it, problem #1 is overpopulation.
Just think of it, in about 100 years from now we won't be able to get all the resources we need. Water, for example.
So to plainly state this, you won't have GAS in 25 years or so (will be too expensive) but yeah, you could start a war on some middle east country in order to get some? And supposing you do manage that, how long will that cover you for? 10 years?

But nature will take care of itself. If we reach 10-15 billion people, you can be sure we'll go back to 3 billion or less in no time...
That's about what my thoughts are for the future. Obviously, not going to happen, as someone's already thought of it and figured a solution to it.

[danny]

shadow, im in FAVOR of a war that kills off a large chunk of the human population. imm in favor of legalising drugs for the same reason. population control is a MAJOR issue these days and in a couple more decades it will be REALLY bad. the only forseeable solution i could see is a wormhole that goes back some Millions of years into a parallel universe.

anyways. this 17 year old has studied enough history to understand what countries would be favored by a war and for what reasons they would be favored by a war. for instance, israel could profit HUGELY from arms sales in a war because several countries would need A LOT more of their guns in urban warfare situations. and what i said about russia and their resources stands. war would give them the reason to tap those resources the only problem would be defending those resources from attack by enemies although only 3 or 4 countries are capable of an assault in siberia on the scale needed to conquer it.