Nationalism....

[Shadow00]

I am confused due to two factors.
Elections are coming up soon, and I would like to get your opinions on a couple of things.
First of all, you should know that there is a political party that gains popularity non-stop over here. Problem is, they are obsessed with nationalism, to a point dangerously close to fascism (everyone forced to go to army at 18, army interfering when needed etc).
They have some really great plans, BUT (not necessarily bad) they are turning this country into Sparta basically (aka no immigrants come in).
Ofcourse, other ideas sound great (corruption hunted down, politicians that have stolen money from the people go to jail or worse) also, we leave the EU, start drilling oil asap and other stuff.

Now, the factors that get me confused:
1. They don't sound like the people to keep up with democracy,
And
2. Their darn symbol is this one:



Which isnt really bright either.
Now, do you believe they are too extreme? is extreme the only solution if anything else fails?
Ideas?

[Shadowstar1922]

It's worth a shot. Democracy doesn't work well for every country. I am still confused on their goals too. I agree with some, but i am doubtful on others. So, i'm afraid to have a stable opinion with what they do, since i am so doubtful. O.o

[danny]

there is nothing wrong with nationalism, if you have the best interest of your country at heart. at least until you let the power corrupt you into whats best for you, not your country. if they can remember to serve greece before themselves then there shouldn't be a problem. however it seems to me that this isnt the case with them already.

[ghost 9]

Bring a large number of people into the military, and you lessen unemployment. As long as you get a little more money than you need to survive, the economy can benefit from it. I also don't think the step towards fascism will be taken by anyone due to World War 2, but maybe that's just bias hope. Anyway, the symbol is too close to the swastika for my comfort. Tell them to change it... O.o

[Shadowstar1922]

the symbol is too close to the swastika for my comfort. Tell them to change it... O.o

I just realized that.. O.o

And, the wutcha-ma-call it going around, that was on the Roman Flag, but it was gold, and it surrounded an eagle, that held a sign that spelled SPQR

[Shadow00]

Getting back to this due to the timing. Meaning that elections are set for May 6th.
Now me, being a total pessimist, am thinking that something will occur and we will skip elections, (which would only favor the current government which 80% of people are against.) or that the votes will be slightly altered, in favor of the current government ofcourse.
A) The party i was talking about above is in a more interesting position than i first thought.
About 80% of my classmates (and kids my age that i know) support them totally. They are estimated to gain a large number of votes, but sadly, my suspicions were true. They greet each other like nazis, and many of them support the same ideals they did.
B)The current government parties (government and opposition joined to one, speaking of betrayal to the prople) will join again after the elections (500% sure) and continue forcing austerity measures (if i spelt it correctly and i got the meaning right).
C)New parties are actually members from the 2 government parties that created their own parties, and they are no different, so that option is out too.
D)Communist party breaks into smaller parties when it has a percentage over 10% (mainly, im trying to say that they only disagree, they dont offer anything else).
E) Some person that is gaining a lot of votes looks ok, but it belongs on category C, it was just the first of its kind and gathers up to 15%. Sadly, it isnt worthy of trust, even though its thesis is very good.

So this is my country's desperate situation. We have to vote between: Nazis, Traitors, Traitors under a new name, Indecisive self-destructive parties, and a person that seems to be a traitor too, but just gathers more votes.

Interesting huh? We are doomed. What would you peeps do?

[RealRoi]

First of all shadow, understanding the fact that Greece right now is under a economic crisis, coming out of the Eurozone would somewhat be beneficiary according to me, you can come out, improve your economy and join the EU again after a few years. in order to gain bailouts which are basically influenced by Germany and France, the citizens are going to come under a heavy burden which basically you guys dont want. As far as voting is concerned, you can't trust the traitors. You can only go with the majority because even if they greet people like the ...., it's not gonna happen like what it happened before WW2. First of all, I don't see them bringing them the Race card, secondly I don't see large scale immigration to your country and thirdly the whole world has seen what happened in WW2, so the whole EU would be paying attention to what's going and the other countries would try to stabilise if there's gonna be any extremism.

[Shadow00]

Roi, points:
Germany (plus others) wont let us leave the EU at least as long as we have denocracy (you get where this is going, no?)
Greeting .... is not a problem, but sending party fans to kill immigrants is.
I prefer them to the rest nonetheless, just because in some sick sense, they are the only patriotic party.

[Shadowstar1922]

Getting back to this due to the timing. Meaning that elections are set for May 6th.
Now me, being a total pessimist, am thinking that something will occur and we will skip elections, (which would only favor the current government which 80% of people are against.) or that the votes will be slightly altered, in favor of the current government ofcourse.
A) The party i was talking about above is in a more interesting position than i first thought.
About 80% of my classmates (and kids my age that i know) support them totally. They are estimated to gain a large number of votes, but sadly, my suspicions were true. They greet each other like nazis, and many of them support the same ideals they did.
B)The current government parties (government and opposition joined to one, speaking of betrayal to the prople) will join again after the elections (500% sure) and continue forcing austerity measures (if i spelt it correctly and i got the meaning right).
C)New parties are actually members from the 2 government parties that created their own parties, and they are no different, so that option is out too.
D)Communist party breaks into smaller parties when it has a percentage over 10% (mainly, im trying to say that they only disagree, they dont offer anything else).
E) Some person that is gaining a lot of votes looks ok, but it belongs on category C, it was just the first of its kind and gathers up to 15%. Sadly, it isnt worthy of trust, even though its thesis is very good.

So this is my country's desperate situation. We have to vote between: Nazis, Traitors, Traitors under a new name, Indecisive self-destructive parties, and a person that seems to be a traitor too, but just gathers more votes.

Interesting huh? We are doomed. What would you peeps do?

I'm just pointing this out, that party group AREN'T Nazis. People who vote for them, they aren't voting for Nazis. The Nazis did far more damage to the world then that party could ever possibly do. And, there are many present day groups that have acted like Nazis, but no one has labeled them as Nazis.


And, your elections is my little cousin's birthday! I find that so strange. XD

[ghost 9]

Getting back to this due to the timing. Meaning that elections are set for May 6th.
Now me, being a total pessimist, am thinking that something will occur and we will skip elections, (which would only favor the current government which 80% of people are against.) or that the votes will be slightly altered, in favor of the current government ofcourse.
A) The party i was talking about above is in a more interesting position than i first thought.
About 80% of my classmates (and kids my age that i know) support them totally. They are estimated to gain a large number of votes, but sadly, my suspicions were true. They greet each other like nazis, and many of them support the same ideals they did.
B)The current government parties (government and opposition joined to one, speaking of betrayal to the prople) will join again after the elections (500% sure) and continue forcing austerity measures (if i spelt it correctly and i got the meaning right).
C)New parties are actually members from the 2 government parties that created their own parties, and they are no different, so that option is out too.
D)Communist party breaks into smaller parties when it has a percentage over 10% (mainly, im trying to say that they only disagree, they dont offer anything else).
E) Some person that is gaining a lot of votes looks ok, but it belongs on category C, it was just the first of its kind and gathers up to 15%. Sadly, it isnt worthy of trust, even though its thesis is very good.

So this is my country's desperate situation. We have to vote between: Nazis, Traitors, Traitors under a new name, Indecisive self-destructive parties, and a person that seems to be a traitor too, but just gathers more votes.

Interesting huh? We are doomed. What would you peeps do?

I'm just pointing this out, that party group AREN'T Nazis. People who vote for them, they aren't voting for Nazis. The Nazis did far more damage to the world then that party could ever possibly do. And, there are many present day groups that have acted like Nazis, but no one has labeled them as Nazis.


And, your elections is my little cousin's birthday! I find that so strange. XD

Nazis couldn't have started up as mass murderers, or no one would've voted for them. Just look at the Germans once they discovered what had happened in the camps.