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Posted: **03 Jun 2015, 09:50**

i hate this police state so much.

Posted: **04 Jun 2015, 02:24**

OK OK let me play devils advocate here.

US alone, averages 2400 daily deaths to various causes.
I mean yeah police brutality and all but it only amounts to 0.001% of daily deaths.

Just to make my point, 2.5 police related deaths a day means 912.5 deaths a year.

Drugs kill 43,000 US people per year.
I'm quite sure that alcohol related deaths are 88,000 per year (US alone).
And then there are house pets, actually averaging 300 US kills per year (2015 stats)
Yeah, weird as hell but if the owners a d-bag, owell

So yeah your average police officer is around 3 times more dangerous than your pet iguana.

Posted: **04 Jun 2015, 04:54**

Shadow00 wrote:OK OK let me play devils advocate here.

US alone, averages 2400 daily deaths to various causes.
I mean yeah police brutality and all but it only amounts to 0.001% of daily deaths.

Just to make my point, 2.5 police related deaths a day means 912.5 deaths a year.

Drugs kill 43,000 US people per year.
I'm quite sure that alcohol related deaths are 88,000 per year (US alone).
And then there are house pets, actually averaging 300 US kills per year (2015 stats)
Yeah, weird as hell but if the owners a d-bag, owell

So yeah your average police officer is around 3 times more dangerous than your pet iguana.

This. Unless police in MA are peddling drugs and booze to you? Not a police state.

Posted: **05 Jun 2015, 02:27**

Shadow00 wrote:OK OK let me play devils advocate here.

US alone, averages 2400 daily deaths to various causes.
I mean yeah police brutality and all but it only amounts to 0.001% of daily deaths.

Just to make my point, 2.5 police related deaths a day means 912.5 deaths a year.

Drugs kill 43,000 US people per year.
I'm quite sure that alcohol related deaths are 88,000 per year (US alone).
And then there are house pets, actually averaging 300 US kills per year (2015 stats)
Yeah, weird as hell but if the owners a d-bag, owell

So yeah your average police officer is around 3 times more dangerous than your pet iguana.

I honestly don't know why you're including other causes of death in America because that is not relevant at all. I'm not stating that the police kill the most Americans and they're the cause for a lot of deaths.

What I'm saying is that its so screwed up that every day, 2 people, or 3 people die from the police. A social institution designed to protect and serve, should not be murdering its own people.

Your numbers are completely irrelevant. I mean, what are they worth to this?

The United States is evolving into a police state, every super power that has ever existed turns into one. With the militarization of the police, the increase deaths caused by the police, as well as massive corruption between the judiciary system and the police, and ontop of that, an evident school to prison pipeline, America is evolving into fascism. Its disgusting.

Pointing out how other people die in America is not "playing devil's advocate" its being a jerk.

I mean, its like when your friend dies of cancer, or something, and you go on a whole rant about how it doesn't matter because more people die from heart failure. I mean what??

Honestly what are you even going on about. You totally went off topic.

Posted: **05 Jun 2015, 15:24**

Basically America, you'd be better under British rule, tooootally.

In all honesty I do partly believe this is due to America's gun laws, armed police= police able to shoot, police able to shoot+person who would have been convicted of assault after being arrested by an officer with a baton or stun gun= one dead man and an increase in that figure Shadow is giving us.

Posted: **05 Jun 2015, 16:15**

I'm actually surprised its not more.

Posted: **05 Jun 2015, 20:34**

Questions you have to ask, how many of these deaths were justified?

One contributing factor to all these deaths might be the fact that we (America) has the highest crime rate in the world.
We also allow people to carry guns making confrontations with police more risky.

13% were unarmed. Meaning 118.69 people were unarmed and killed.
or 20% which is 182.5.

Now then, let's just assume that all of these unarmed deaths are unjustified. 118.69 deaths, almost 119. Surely this means we have a police state right?

In 2008, note a quick search could only bring me an estimate of 2008 so the number of total police officers has most likely grown, there were an estimated 705,000 total full time police officers in the united states.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hrslleo08st.pdf
If we attribute 1 kill per cop. We find that approximately 0.017% of cops are the bad apples.
Obviously our entire police force is bad.
I will remind you that the numbers for total police officers comes from 2008. The number has most likely, almost certainly, increased since then. If we were to assume that our police force was at 1,000,000 the percentage would drop down to approximately 0.0012%.

Honestly, I'm surprised that more people aren't dying.

Posted: **05 Jun 2015, 22:19**

Grimreaper666 wrote:Questions you have to ask, how many of these deaths were justified?

One contributing factor to all these deaths might be the fact that we (America) has the highest crime rate in the world.
We have a high crime rate because you can go to jail for rediculous things. Like in Texas, if you live in a certain area of Texas and the grass in your yard is not below 2 inches, you can go to jail for 1-5 years. Sounds like Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia to me. Keep in mind roughly 75-85% of crimes committed in the United States are non-violent. So yes, we do have the highest crime rate, but what about crime related to violence, like idk, murder?

Nations with high rates of homicde, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs in Crime (presented by Wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

Honduras is at number 1. Its completely logical that nations with high rates of crime would have aggressive police forces, which Honduras has (keep in mind Honduras is also a police state with a horrible, violent police force known to constantly steal and murder innocent people, but that is another topic about state terrorism.)

On the list of homicde rates, the USA comes in at 111th place. Yet in the USA, we have a hyper-militarized police force known to abuse its populace.

We also allow people to carry guns making confrontations with police more risky.

Gun control, gun control, gun control.

13% were unarmed. Meaning 118.69 people were unarmed and killed.
or 20% which is 182.5.

Now then, let's just assume that all of these unarmed deaths are unjustified. 118.69 deaths, almost 119. Surely this means we have a police state right?

In 2008, note a quick search could only bring me an estimate of 2008 so the number of total police officers has most likely grown, there were an estimated 705,000 total full time police officers in the united states.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hrslleo08st.pdf
If we attribute 1 kill per cop. We find that approximately 0.017% of cops are the bad apples.
Obviously our entire police force is bad.

I don't think I've ever stated all police offciers are bad, neither has new agencies like Huffington Post, The Young Turks, Mother Jones, or AntiMedia, who are known to report a lot on US police brutality, have ever generalized the American police force as all bad and corrupt and horrible. Though, on a side note, if the bystanders who have not done anything wrong, and are acclaimed, good cops, you would think they would call their partners out for their abuse, but they don't. Cops that do get fired.

Back on the abuse, just murdering doesn't make you a bad apple. I mean, you don't become a bad cop when you murder a person, justified or not. Cops who steal, abuse, sexually assault, bully, and physically assault are bad cops. Cops who don't follow regulations or normal procedures when confronting citizens are bad cops. Cops who abuse the administrative system and try to extort people for money by ticketing them at road ways known to be tricky. Those are bad cops. Much like, you're not a bad politician when you commit international war crimes, but when you simply break the law, like Rick Perry.
I will remind you that the numbers for total police officers comes from 2008. The number has most likely, almost certainly, increased since then. If we were to assume that our police force was at 1,000,000 the percentage would drop down to approximately 0.0012%.

Honestly, I'm surprised that more people aren't dying.

Posted: **05 Jun 2015, 22:59**

Why you find it tragic that 2-3 people die of police brutality?
You call it unnecessary deaths and while it is, its also a necessary evil.
Imagine for example what would happen if you take the police OUT of the equation.
Or if the police were in fact paid well so they wouldn't be corrupted by gangs etc.

Wouldn't that be fun.

As grim said, an EXTREMELY small percentage of them is actually being d-bags.
You should be glad that only that little of the police is actually filled with morons, the government is already doing a good job picking them.

You think that they could do better?
Well I find it that the govt has better things to do than trying to weed out like 900 out of 800k cops.

The "United states is evolving into a police state"? Really?you got like what, 320million people? About 320k is the growth of american population (1%growth). (as mentioned below) US had 700k cops at 2008 and around 800k at 2015.that means that in SEVEN YEARS the police force got enhanced by 100k people, or if you'd rather, out of the 2.1 million more people in america in those years, you got 100k cops.
Or if you'd rather, 246 million Americans work.
LESS THAN 1 MILLION ARE COPS.
Fascist society?
police state?
Nop,just normal business.

You legit think numbers don't matter
I don't mind your extremely hopeful ideals but the government and serious people leading your country obviously understand that not everything is salvageable.
2.5 deaths a day due to police? Well apparently that's not a problem for them, that's within the problematic nature of people.

The perpatrator here is the media which of course, fills up these things with hot air (because what sells better than revolution these days) and add to the violence.

Also let me be a bit clear on why stats of what kills Americans matters.

You have a whole nation bent on finding a cure for some new disease, H1N1.
Said disease legit killed 12000 people.
Common cold kills around 36000, for the comparison.

Now around $260 million was wasted just from the unused vaccine produced, let alone all the money wasted into research for that.
I'll just call around 1 billion of wasted dollars.

Now that 1 billion could be put into research for a disease that actually has a high kill rate, eg HIV. or into cancer research.

That's why how many people die matters.
Because to a nation, lives are money. A nation needs lives as it needs money.
They won't bother spending more money than is needed for one person or a small group of them. And that's why you should realize they won't bother to change the police because 2.5 lives a day is not worth the investment.

Playing the devils advocate means backing up the unpopular side with facts.
I'm sorry if you expected me to say "there are good people in the police" and stop there.
I'm simply saying the police ARE good, they do NOT plan to own your life and practically can't either, and the bad apples are simply too few for me to give a damn.

Posted: **06 Jun 2015, 23:03**

If 2.5 people a day have died due to police brutality, imagine all of the people who aren't included in that stat...

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