The God Problem.

[Munter]

This assumes that there are no morals outside of religion.

It also suggests that those who follow morality just because of fear of hell are really not being that moral, one would think. As their motivation for committing the good deed is to make sure they go to heaven, not because they actually care about the wellbeing of the person they helped.

Then we're presented with an ancient problem, what has been called, 'The Euthyphro dilemma'

That is, does God command the act because they are good acts or are they good because God commands them?

You'll find this is a slippery slippery question to answer, if you believe it to be a relevant question (i.e you believe that morality is dependent on God/religion)

[Shadow00]

You know very well that most people do not commit crime because they are afraid of the consequences they will have. And when I say crime I mean any kind of it. Anyways,about that slippery question,do you mean that being kind to others,not killing not stealing etc are good deeds just because God says so?

P.S. Hito I watched the invention of lying.good film I have to say

[mmm]

You know very well that most people do not commit crime because they are afraid of the consequences they will have. And when I say crime I mean any kind of it. Anyways,about that slippery question,do you mean that being kind to others,not killing not stealing etc are good deeds just because God says so?

P.S. Hito I watched the invention of lying.good film I have to say

You can't claim that most people do not commit crimes to avoid punishment without any evidence. I can claim that the Pre-Conventional stage (avoiding punishment and maximizing self-benefit) of Lawrence Kohblerg's stages of moral development appears to be more prevalent in small children than in adults Because I have witnessed more of these actions in children than in adults.

[mustache]

God ish almighty. God gave us free will in the beginning, and he decided to leave us be, except bless us, he decides not to work people, he just helps them. Also, I didn't read the earlier posts before this, so, I might be behind...

[Shadow00]

Way behind if I may say :/

[mmm]

Planning to buy a book concerning this conundrum. God allows suffering to occur in order to give people the chance to do the right thing; you know, how can there be good if there is no evil. I still have issues with this proposition (the rights of the suffering, for one), but this topic needs the stimulus.

[Zados]

if suffer and pain is something that god gives to evil humans - then i am the devil

[bob-jr]

God does not create bad things, satan does, satan was a jealous angel who tried to kill god, but was sent to exile in a prison, also known as hell, the reason bad things happen is that he cannot change human will, that is up to us, for we are an independant species, and to say that we were created by a "higher power" is stupid, god loves us, the least we can do for him is aknowledge that we know he exists.

so, for all you non-believers out there, suck on THAT!

But God is supposed to have created Satan, who went against his will. The question is, why did God create someone he knew would go against his will? And why does God allow him to exist? Either he is not powerful enough to stop him, or is not good enough, OR he didn't know that satan would become bad, in which case he is not all knowing!

So you would agree that God is not all powerful then if he cannot change human will? The question is, then why did he create something that he cannot change? Does this mean human will is more powerful than God, the so-called creator? And why did he create a human will that is capable of doing bad things?

AND if he isn't the higher power, then what is he?

And why should we acknowledge his existence? Why should we do anything for him? What could we do for him, at any rate?

These are genuine questions, by the way.

Without opposites there r no equals god is all knolegable he knows this

[Shadow00]

I see no more reason on this topic... Everyone has stated their opinions at least once,and we're all re-producing the same ideas...

[bob-jr]

Shad has a point this chat has been on for ages.