Vegetarianism

[Shadow00]

Nobody in here is wrong as far as they talk of their opinions.
I respect it totally, but I believe that if everyone turns to vegeterianism we will have some great survival problems, as far as resources are concerned.
But then again, I prefer eating meat...
I have no problems with vegeterians/vegans, as long as they don't try to force me into eating what they think is best. Should that happen, I can get into quite heated arguments.

[danny]

Now, Here is my Topic!
-I am a Vegetarian, More specific, I'm a Vegan.
When I was around 11, or 12, my dad made me watch him skin a deer, and the first slice he cut, all of the internal organs fell onto the garage floor. It smelled nasty, looked disgusting, and I puked. After that, I decided to try being a Vegetarian. Ate lots of salad and eggs, as well as veggie burgers, and lots of greens. I also found myself consuming alot more yogurt than the average person. When I turned 15 or so, I tried Vegan. Had to scratch eggs, yogurt, and ham and cheese from my salad right off my list of things to eat.
I consume plain salads, some beans and plants, and still my veggie burgers.
I also live off of candy, gum, and potato chips, but I have a high metabolism so fat foods don't really affect me.
-Being a Vegetarian/Vegan is no shame at all. In fact, it seems like it's more saving and caring to the planet. More animals for site seeing and then maybe half our animals today wouldn't be endagered. People act like they can't survive without meat. I for one know I can, and know alot of people can. Actually, everyone can. It isn't going to kill you instead of eating 4 hamburgers, try eating a salad, with a fruit cup or yogurt and maybe a little snack as a side dish.
I honestly don't think it's a problem. Then maybe the world wouldn't be so fat and lazy because more people would be tempted to garden more, and eat healthier food products.

oi senor vegan, you do realize that anything with gluten, you cant eat correct? read the ingredients and see if you are a vegan or a vegetarian. im going to assume you do your homework and that you genuinely are vegan but im just giving you a heads up, so you dont get called on it by other vegans (they will go nuts man, NUTS).

[Foopzheart]

I have no problems with vegetarians and vegans but I worry for them.

Protein deficiencies are common in veggies and vegans, as most vegetables and such do not have the good amount of protein.

Vegetarians of FWG, be careful.

[Leprechaun Lukia]

1.)Conservation of Fossil fuel. It takes 78 calories of fossil fuel to produce 1 calorie of beef protein; 35 calories for 1 calorie of pork; 22 calories for 1 of poultry; but just 1 calorie of fossil fuel for 1 calorie of soybeans. By eating plant foods instead of animal foods, You help conserve our non-renewable sources of energy


2.)Water Conservation. It takes 3 to 15 times as much water to produce animal protein as it does plant protein. As you all vegetarians contribute to water conservation.


3.)Efficient use of grains. It takes up to 16 pounds of soybeans and grains to produce 1 lb. of beef and 3 to 6 lbs. to produce 1 lb of turkey & egg. By eating grain foods directly, you make the food supply more efficient & that contributes to the environment.


4.)Soil conservation. When grains & legumes are used more efficiently, your precious topsoil is automatically made more efficient in its use. You use less agricultural resources to provide for the same number of people.



5.)Saving our forests. Tropical forests in Brazil and other tropic regions are destroyed daily, in part, to create more acreage to raise livestock. By not supporting the meat industry, you directly reduce the demand to pillage these irreplaceable treasures of nature. Since the forest land "filters" our air supply and contains botanical sources for new medicines, this destruction is irreversable.



6.)No deficiencies. There is no nutrient necessary for optimal human functioning which cannot be obtained from plant food.



7.)Asthetics. Decaying animal parts, whether in a freezer case or served in restaurants, can never be as asthetically pleasing to the senses as the same foods made from wholesome vegetable sources. Only habit can allow one not to perceive this: a change in diet makes this self evident.



Words of Wisdom:Because one species is more clever than another, does it give it the right to imprison or torture the less clever species? Does one exceptionally clever individual have a right to exploit the less clever individuals of his own species? To say that he does is to say with the Fascists that the strong have a right to abuse and exploit the weak - might is right, and the strong and ruthless shall inherit the earth.




(I'm not a vegan nor a meat eater,but I suggest you eat both with maybe a low fat glass of milk.)








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[musicfreak1525]

oi senor vegan, you do realize that anything with gluten, you cant eat correct? read the ingredients and see if you are a vegan or a vegetarian. im going to assume you do your homework and that you genuinely are vegan but im just giving you a heads up, so you dont get called on it by other vegans (they will go nuts man, NUTS).

Why can't vegans eat gluten? It's not an animal product..gluten comes from wheat so vegans should be fine with it...

[danny]

i meant gelatin. me ish dumb sorry

[Shadow00]

For the sake of...
Ok, look. Vegeterianism, is one of these phew things that if someone asks you "why?", you can just answer "because i like veggies". No need for deep theories.
I'll say only one thing: human evolved eating meat. Civilizations that had no meat (easter island) turned to cannibalism until everyone died.
Now if you think that it's more polite not to eat meat, then nobody in this world (except of hannibal lecter) is going to stop you. But don't support that it's part of human nature...

[Shadowstar1922]

I didn't read all of what Lukia said, but i said he mentioned about cutting down forests in Brazil and else where. Lukia, you do realize Brazil is it's own nation.. We can try to support them to stop, but it's still their land, their choice. Why Brazil is cutting down forests, and other South American nations, is because they want their people employed. It provides their people a job, and also material to sell. And, i know Central American nations, do save a certain large portion of their forests to not be cut down. Not sure about Brazil. I'm assuming they do.. (sorry to get off topic )

And, about the vegan thing. I heard that vegetarians and vegans have to take pills in order to get the necessarily vitemans and nutrients only in meat. I would hate taking pills. O.o I don't know if i brought this up when i was in the descussion. IDC, i hate pills.. Plus, i couldn't give up lamb O.o

[danny]

brazil hates rainforests. its all slash and burn down there. for farming. and the land is useless basically after one crop. they'll never learn

[RealRoi]

Shadowstar, I am a vegetarian and I absolutely take no pills. As far as nutritional debate is concerned, yes, Meat eaters have more protein obviously because of meat consumption. However as far as protein, vitamins and other nutrients are concerned, it depends on how much do you really need it, we're not into some hardcore athletic tournament where you need proper protein balance which is much higher than what daily life needs, but vegetarians=protein deficient people is a stereotype, a vegetarian with a normal diet comprising of wheat,rice,cereals and vegetables is healthy enough to carry out his daily activities without problems. The endpoint is: Food is food, it provides nourishment to human life, it's a balance, if number of non-vegetarians increase, there will be meat shortages, and if number of vegans increase, there will be shortage of vegan food, so it's basically a balance. At the end, trust me, it's not what you eat but it's what you do.