Anonymous

[ghost 9]

There's always bambam and HOIC.

[Sylvia]

LOIC? We don't use that for Ops nowadays. We use a little something called SQLI Injection. Much faster, more efficient. And then we use Brutus for the Fatality.

This is what I have the problem with. Ops, fatality... this isn't some kind of video game, you're not playing some game where you will be revered as a hero at the end, and neither an enemy. The government, and woe I say this, is not as bad as it could be. Your country is in a better state than 90% of them.

You can go out on the streets and not be afraid of getting killed. You've got food in your fridge, heating, a house - an internet connection...and you're protesting that? You're going to try and take down various websites? With all due respect, I'd really like to know why. Not the simple ones - child porn, ok, I can see why you think it's justified, but attempting to take down the US? Hacking Scotland Yard phone calls? What's the reason?

[GarthVader449]

LOIC? We don't use that for Ops nowadays. We use a little something called SQLI Injection. Much faster, more efficient. And then we use Brutus for the Fatality.

This is what I have the problem with. Ops, fatality... this isn't some kind of video game, you're not playing some game where you will be revered as a hero at the end, and neither an enemy. The government, and woe I say this, is not as bad as it could be. Your country is in a better state than 90% of them.

You can go out on the streets and not be afraid of getting killed. You've got food in your fridge, heating, a house - an internet connection...and you're protesting that? You're going to try and take down various websites? With all due respect, I'd really like to know why. Not the simple ones - child porn, ok, I can see why you think it's justified, but attempting to take down the US? Hacking Scotland Yard phone calls? What's the reason?

Touché! I could not agree more...

[paladin]

LOIC? We don't use that for Ops nowadays. We use a little something called SQLI Injection. Much faster, more efficient. And then we use Brutus for the Fatality.

This is what I have the problem with. Ops, fatality... this isn't some kind of video game, you're not playing some game where you will be revered as a hero at the end, and neither an enemy. The government, and woe I say this, is not as bad as it could be. Your country is in a better state than 90% of them.

You can go out on the streets and not be afraid of getting killed. You've got food in your fridge, heating, a house - an internet connection...and you're protesting that? You're going to try and take down various websites? With all due respect, I'd really like to know why. Not the simple ones - child porn, ok, I can see why you think it's justified, but attempting to take down the US? Hacking Scotland Yard phone calls? What's the reason?

Censorship of the internet. Our goal is for an internet that is uncensored.
"HACKTIVIST GROUP Anonymous has threatened to fight the US government over alleged censorship of the internet.
In a recent pastebin post the group claims that the US government "is censoring the internet", employing ISP blocks, DNS blocks, search engine and web site censorship, and a variety of other methods to stifle freedom.
Anonymous has called on the citizens of the US to stand up against their government in what it described as "not a call to arms, but a call to recognition and action". It also called on the people of other countries to "fight back", adding that their governments will most likely follow suit.
Anonymous said that the US is often cited as an example of the ideal free country, but that the government has given people "a false sense of freedom". It compared the situation to the censorship in countries like Egypt and Libya, highlighting the revolutions that followed, and suggesting that the US is not exempt from similar action." - Dean Wilson from the Inquirer

[Blood Knight]

LOIC? We don't use that for Ops nowadays. We use a little something called SQLI Injection. Much faster, more efficient. And then we use Brutus for the Fatality.

This is what I have the problem with. Ops, fatality... this isn't some kind of video game, you're not playing some game where you will be revered as a hero at the end, and neither an enemy. The government, and woe I say this, is not as bad as it could be. Your country is in a better state than 90% of them.

You can go out on the streets and not be afraid of getting killed. You've got food in your fridge, heating, a house - an internet connection...and you're protesting that? You're going to try and take down various websites? With all due respect, I'd really like to know why. Not the simple ones - child porn, ok, I can see why you think it's justified, but attempting to take down the US? Hacking Scotland Yard phone calls? What's the reason?

Syl, Anonymous hacks the governments sites because they are corrupt... And don't make this look like we're the bad people. "You can go out on the streets and not be afraid of getting killed. You've got food in your fridge, heating, a house - an internet connection...and you're protesting that?" No, syl. We are not protesting anything even close to that. We protest the corrupted. Simple as that.

[Sylvia]

I understand that you're 'protesting the corrupt', so to speak, but I fail to see how you're not being worse than the government yourselves.

You, and the US government, are trying to do the same thing to each other. It's like attacking each other with shields. Not that I paticularly believe you're a worthy adversary to the US government (any government really) but you're doing the same as them, on themselves. You take down their websites, they take down your members...

It seems to me like you're trying to act like parents for the people of America. They can decide what to believe, who to believe, and altogether - what to see - without hackers to open it up.

Obviously Anonymous are going to continue on their endeavours, but it seems more like the annoying fly around Barack Obamas face rather than internet terrorists.

[J3rdegree]

(at blood, pally, and ghost)
What ever happened to the speaking softly part... i am really still missing that as you just babbled off multiple different software and promoted them as big weapons, as well as previous attacks, and the "potential" of the group...
If you really want to follow the proverb you quoted (Speak softly and carry a big stick) you should stop blabbing about your "big stick" and do something productive? Even if productive to you means attacking a site deemed "wrong" (quotes because i dont believe in definite right and wrong in most situations involving politics, government, wars, ect.) just go do it and stop blabbing about how, what, or why.

[Shadowstar1922]

LOIC? We don't use that for Ops nowadays. We use a little something called SQLI Injection. Much faster, more efficient. And then we use Brutus for the Fatality.

This is what I have the problem with. Ops, fatality... this isn't some kind of video game, you're not playing some game where you will be revered as a hero at the end, and neither an enemy. The government, and woe I say this, is not as bad as it could be. Your country is in a better state than 90% of them.

You can go out on the streets and not be afraid of getting killed. You've got food in your fridge, heating, a house - an internet connection...and you're protesting that? You're going to try and take down various websites? With all due respect, I'd really like to know why. Not the simple ones - child porn, ok, I can see why you think it's justified, but attempting to take down the US? Hacking Scotland Yard phone calls? What's the reason?

Censorship of the internet. Our goal is for an internet that is uncensored.
"HACKTIVIST GROUP Anonymous has threatened to fight the US government over alleged censorship of the internet.
In a recent pastebin post the group claims that the US government "is censoring the internet", employing ISP blocks, DNS blocks, search engine and web site censorship, and a variety of other methods to stifle freedom.
Anonymous has called on the citizens of the US to stand up against their government in what it described as "not a call to arms, but a call to recognition and action". It also called on the people of other countries to "fight back", adding that their governments will most likely follow suit.
Anonymous said that the US is often cited as an example of the ideal free country, but that the government has given people "a false sense of freedom". It compared the situation to the censorship in countries like Egypt and Libya, highlighting the revolutions that followed, and suggesting that the US is not exempt from similar action." - Dean Wilson from the Inquirer

I thought Anonymous was fighting for LGBT rights and shutting down child pornography sites, but here a 'member' of "Anonymous' says they fight for an uncensored internet, when the no country has control of the Internet. Nations can only block out Internet signals and connections to their homeland, but no one CONTROLS the Internet. .-.

Fighting for something that has already happened. Like, having another American Revolution to end slavery, when it's already been illegal to own slaves.


And, I 100% completely agree with everything Ducky said. Anonymous is kind of like, a bunch of pissy 9 year-olds who don't get their way, but they have big-ass rocket launchers and tanks to get what they want.


Yes, Anonymous' ideology and goals are right, but how they're handling it is completely wrong. Like Duck-Duck said, there are more, appropriate terms of protesting for the rights you want.

Yes, physically Protesting takes much MUCH more longer but if their humanitarian and are for the good, they will eventually go through.

(All American references)Like, it took a while to get slavery to be illegal, people did physically protest it (in secrecy or in public) it was eventually made illegal. Equal Rights for women, like voting, were eventually met with peaceful protesting, and now, Gay Rights will obviously be eventually made with people peacefully protesting.

Sometimes war is met, but that's only when it gets extremely escalated, and when the topic/idea is an EXTREMELY important matter, like Slavery having a lot of effed up ideology towards it. But, no one's going to go to war over Woman's Rights since it's not an EXTREMELY important matter, or Gay Rights.


The matters that Anonymous fights for with 'brute' force are like, a little child shooting people for wanting to stay up an hour later, or in a more appropriate matter, the Child gets a group of child-friends who has similar bed times and want to stay up later, all hack websites owned by families until the families or specific parents agree to let all the children stay up for a later bed time.


If Anonymous was fighting for equal rights in China, with their suppression communist actions, that's one thing. But, I don't think gay people in Uganda are being actively killed by the Government(if someone is killed because they are a homosexual, it's from the People of Uganda)


I'm not completely objectifying to Anonymous, just their actions. They can do some better things with their power, not just using brute force and acting like it's a war.

If you think about it, it is pretty childish. "I have a gay friend, and he/she is madly in love with his/her partner, but they can't get married! I say, we should have a war over this! This is outrageous! Lets kill other people, innocent or not, over this matter! Because, you know, they might die from this!"

Doesn't that seem a tad stupid?

[Blood Knight]

(at blood, pally, and ghost)
What ever happened to the speaking softly part... i am really still missing that as you just babbled off multiple different software and promoted them as big weapons, as well as previous attacks, and the "potential" of the group...
If you really want to follow the proverb you quoted (Speak softly and carry a big stick) you should stop blabbing about your "big stick" and do something productive? Even if productive to you means attacking a site deemed "wrong" (quotes because i dont believe in definite right and wrong in most situations involving politics, government, wars, ect.) just go do it and stop blabbing about how, what, or why.

You struck a nerve in me, J3r. I believe Paladin said we are LIKE the proverb, he never said that we followed it...He was using it as somewhat of a comparison. And we "Blab" about this because we are trying to get stubborn people like yourselves to atleast see where we are coming from. and I don't see why you are on the opposing side, J3r. From what I hear, you've been using a little bit of software yourself. Am I wrong? What did you try to make better in this world when you tried to DoS the WBC site? When we take down sites, we atleast have the balls to state what we did. It may come off as bragging, but atleast we do things with a purpose.

[J3rdegree]

I never said one thing against the reasoning or the ways anon takes action have I?
Where have i accepted or denied taking any action in this topic or any other public place?
All I have been bringing up is how some members of anon are not truly taking anonymous approaches to their actions within the group, and how the govt has more power over a group of people on computers because they both have the law on their side and take actions in secret to take down what they see as a threat.

As for the attempted blackmail, I will call out one of the great rights put forth in our constitution. I plea the 5th.